Also institutional inertia

CIA and EU approved "revolutions"

EU is in favour of peace in Ukraine afaik

yes but ukraine wants to join the EU

So what

and the euros dont want to accept them

with the exception of caucasus and finland
all other countries around russia are just artificial states
who just LARP as haveing some long history or culture

because its a shithole

Baltics, vex?

Indeed galahad
EU needs to cleanse all the atlantists within their ranks
before they can be independant

otherwise they are a glorified american puppet

im not from western europe so im not as keyed into this

@Dilbert Do-Hop what about baltics

The baltics are around Russia yet have a long history, you forgot to mention them.

From my pov Brexit is actually a means to make holding on to European states easier

but ive not really heard people describe the EU as having the will or the constituent parts to throw off American hegemony

Each one is different.

Even using a blanket term like baltics probably isn't right.

@Dilbert Do-Hop their birth rate is pitiful
and they have mass emigration
they wont exist in next 100 years
nobody will even remember them

Macron and whatnot have been arguing for the EU to distance itself from America for a while now @Galahad

I dont get the point though

you want international finance neoliberalism with European characteristics?

yes

as opposed to what
AMERICAN NEOLIBERALISM

No I don't but you're not getting an independent foreign policy with dozens of weak small European Nato members

its the same really

THATS WHAT IM SAYING

VEX

lol

yes i understand

but i dont see how it can be fixed
without dismantling global institutions like NATO

i also have a weird POV on things like this

so i want to understand more conventional people's view on this

The thing is that the EU would have an easier time asserting itself and has a strategic interest in becoming closer with Russia

Which could mean culture flowing downstream from Realpolitik

Not to mention a neoliberal anti Americanism would be unconvincing

i was going to mention that

When there already exists a strong anti Americanist current in European countries

EU-russia alliance seems to be somewhat possible

it also depends on how distant they get from the chinese

China is a really shitty ally towards Russia