the EU was CIA approved from the start

lets not pretend like its so different from NATO

i think germany an Eu as a whole want to ally with russia and just get cheap resources for their industrial economies. the biggest obsticale for this is NATO and Visegrad countries which are so butthurt about their former occupator they can no longer sit straight.

i mean

Exactly Vex

i can see why the visegrad coutnries arent so trusting of mother russia

Several states within Eu want to end sanctions with russia

but visegrad

just wants to suck American cock frankly

It doesn't matter that the EU was CIA approved when it's developed its own set of interests

Independent of Nato west of the pond

Nato is Americanism at this point.

how about no NATO

disband it

Yes

and have a euro army

im fine with no nato

based

but I dont see abig distinciton between NATO and the EU

It's not entirely opposed

to me theyre both sides of the same American vassal coin

But the potential for a schism is large

have to neuter Americanism as a concept first.

EU goes along with america because easter europe are just american puppet states
and they have equal votes in Eu assembly alongside bigger states
so they can decide EU foreign policy

i mean look at ukraine

Also institutional inertia

CIA and EU approved "revolutions"

EU is in favour of peace in Ukraine afaik

yes but ukraine wants to join the EU

So what

and the euros dont want to accept them

with the exception of caucasus and finland
all other countries around russia are just artificial states
who just LARP as haveing some long history or culture

because its a shithole

Baltics, vex?

Indeed galahad
EU needs to cleanse all the atlantists within their ranks
before they can be independant

otherwise they are a glorified american puppet

im not from western europe so im not as keyed into this

@Dilbert Do-Hop what about baltics

The baltics are around Russia yet have a long history, you forgot to mention them.

From my pov Brexit is actually a means to make holding on to European states easier

but ive not really heard people describe the EU as having the will or the constituent parts to throw off American hegemony