Really capitalism is just libertarian socialism except the proletariat is replaced with capitalists

And the nonstates hands it all to that class

See that retardation

>It's jsut like socialism because race the proletariat or something
For real, kinda this

Reject capitalism
return to feudalism

Oh misread that

A state acting in the interest of a group when not even nationalizing the entire economy is not socialist

> Reject capitalism
> return to feudalism
@vexmasina44
Based

You gotta use that term properly and sparingly

Then no state would be socialist, however

Or barely any

Soviet Russia had a planned economy so it is

Planned as in all major buisness being state run

Did they socialize prostitution though?

Did they also plan on collapsing in 1991
was that also part of their planed economy

Yes, but they didn't plan with the common good in mind

I think it was outlawed by Soviets Splaet

They had this ambition but in the end, interest groups prevailed

But they didn't socialize girlfriends therefore the soviet union wasn't socialist because they didn't socialize everything.

The issue with the Soviet model is that the statistics for economic development are toilet paper and most state directed development focused on failing branches of the economy which means they provided an incentive for factories to actually not produce as much as possible and reward dysfunctional branches

The Soviet Union was most definitely socialist

The Soviets made their economic calculations using prices from abroad, that alone suggests to me that the problems of central planning are more fundamental than bad leadership

Yeah so like subsidies?

I don't think the major issue was pricing

What they also did is just lower prices without keeping up production

So someone on paper could afford all the food they want but in practice it was first come first served

Slack labour is another point people like to make but it really exists under any system
"I pretend to work so they pretend to pay" is something you see even today

Yes but companies that do that too much tend to go bankrupt.

Not necessarily

Small buisnesses do

There were a tons of problems with it. Bad incentives, bad information for the planners, lack of know-how, but most of that could be solved in theory. That without price signals for them, you cannot allocate non-specific higher-order capital goods rationally, that would break the back of socialism.

There is a lot of dead weight in large corporations

In my company, we all slacked. We were also all fired eventually, so make of that what you will 🤷‍♂️

huh
i did exactly the same

Yes there is, they suffer from a lot of the same problems like governments do.

I don't think the issue with their plans was prices
They were simply rewarding the least effective parts of their economy to become more developed

why does this keep happening to me
fired for no good reason

Not prices per se

Prices for capital goods

Idk. Afaik when corn output looked bad someone like Krushchev just focused attention and resources exclusively there

Which leads to negative consequences