Message from @Mr. Nessel
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And then use what little purchasing power they have on foreign imports
ISI would have that country industrialize by pulling itself up with its own demand/purchasing power
I presume from there such country can survive taking a more economically isolationist route from foreign entities?
Technically this can still be done in established economies
Autarky is not that desirable
Once you start getting into manufacturing you would want steel etc. to cost as little as possible
You wouldn't want your car manufacturers that export to become uncompetitive just to retain a steel industry for example
How would one ensure that these things do not create an incentive for people to simply adopt more Liberal policies?
By making the corporations proxies of the state
You wouldn't outright nationalize them
However a huge corporation is an institution into itself and needs to bend to national interest
If CEOs etc. don't comply they can be removed
It's also important to push outward economically to prevent filth from seeping in through imports etc.
You mentioned China is following something like this, do you think overtime the wealthier corporate classes would influence the Communist Party of China to be more Pro-Corporate Interest as the two are very much interconnected?
The CCP basically is an extension of the Chinese bourgeoisie at this point
It has been since Deng
That is what I worry about, that your plan has that fundamental tension between the corporate classes and the state and I can't help but feel the corporate classes will find a way to further influence the state to support them.
They keep the relation pretty symbiotic. Don't get me wrong, if Jack Ma were to go against the party he'd be gone quickly
He rules his corporate fiefdom in exchange for fidelity to a more a powerfull liege
The CCP is basically "Don't insult us and we are in charge, but other than that, do whatever and give us money", still quite the leeway
If you look at dissent in China it's mostly from wealthy wagies
The big question is if overtime, the corporate classes can make the CCP more open to certain forms of liberalization, especially if the state officials and corporate executives end up being the same people or are related.
I don't think so because you don't end up in the CCP because of your wealth, you join the CCP to rise up the ranks in the economy.
If reform were to happen in China the party would need to have some sort of epiphany
The party might change on economics but not on the position of the party
The one time China came close to liberalization was before Tiananmen squarw
The CCP's only principles is to ensure it is in charge and Chinese Nationalism with a Red Aesthetic. I wonder how much it is willing to open to other values that do not directly threaten those two tenets
It'll never abandon the three principles of the people. It will at most reinterpret them
I think they were nationalism, democracy and welfare and or socialism (big debate between CCP and KMT)
The CCP basically is the KMT now but with more Mao nostalgia
Really I don't see top down political liberalization happening in China
The system has to die for that to happen
Which it might. The Xinhai rebellion happened because foreigners were building railroads and it lead to the death of the Qing
Have China continue to kick the hornets' nest that is Hong Kong and it might actually kill itself
The only states that are competing with the Neoliberal "Democratic" System of the West, economically and power wise, is China, Russia, and Saudi Arabia. I see the Saudis still keeping hold, China is still doing well, how is Russia doing?
(Iran and North Korea are merely just trying to survive so they don't count here)
Russia has always been weird. With Putins new political reforms he seems to take a more pro western stance on surface level but if you look a little deeper is mostly a cosmetic change. Russia is still being Russia in that its going its own way and not really changing for anyone else in any meaningful way.
I would say its more suseptible to liberal changes than China just because the parlimentary system there allows a level of intrests goup pressure to be applied and gives more power to rich people. Chinas rich people that influence the government tend to get arrested at a much higher rate than their russian counterparts
Economically: China, the West, and Saudi Arabia are becoming closer, I don't see that much with Russia minus exporting natural gas to Europe
Because of American sanctions on Russia they are becoming self sufficient
IDK much about the Saudis but China is getting closer but as always they arnt playing by the wests rules