Message from @LotheronPrime
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^^yeep!
Sowell's most recent book talks about it at length.
@Deleted User @Rils have neither of you heard of the restaurant that refused to serve black people in 1964, and the supreme court ruled using the "commerce clause" that the federal government had the authority to compel a business to not discriminate because it would affect interstate travel?
Could you be more specific?
I gotta look that up. Maybe it was due to it's location
1964 would've been at the tail end of Jim Crow
As a sidebar, I disagree with that assessment, racial discrimination has nothing to do with interstate commerce and shouldn't be under the purview of the commerce clause.
@Deleted User @Rils wait. Seriously you've never heard of this? Am I that old?
I'm indian, sorry
I haven't heard about this vague event.
I'm 38
I'm 17....
Katzenbach v. McClung?
The restaurant acted specifically to push back against government overreach.
That one, also Heart of Atlanta Hotel vs United States
let it be know the first real debate was actually this server and its new authoritarian ruleset 😛
I kid btw
The commerce clause was intended to keep the Federal government from becoming involved in local commerce, but the courts have stretched it so far that almost everything is interstate commerce and so the Federal government has authority.
Okay, so quick back story from an "old man" about why you no longer see "whites only" signs in the United states , as soon as I get done playing with my dog that seems to be wanting my attention
well the internet kinda made everything interstate commerce
not to mention most transactions are handled via credit card terminals which means most data is proably transfered over state lines
so where do you actually draw the line between local and interstate transaction now?
(this is not an argument one way or another, just bringing up points)
If my business only pays with cash and only accepts cash, would I be exempt?
I would say so, but im no lawyer
im just saying the lines between intrastate and interstate commerce has significally blurred (imo) since the advent of the internet and digital payment technologies
Prepping for a discussion;
race and crime: cultural Vs biological.
(Is the disproportionate representation of crime due to cultural/socioeconomic factors, or is it a biological difference; that blacks are just de-facto more violent?)
(Not gonna mention which side I'm intending to argue, as I want information from all sides.)
As is mentioned in "Theory of Race" by Wilson (1995), the discussion is "mired in an unproductive mix of controversy and silence" - and it's proving difficult to find sources that are up to date and relevant. Any helpful links would be much appreciated, if anyone has any to hand. (@tag me)
Nurture > nature
nurture = nature
morals are taught, not inherited
how we are nurtured effects our genetic growth and our ability to produce offspring, a minor example of that can be found here http://ccf.org/reproductiveresearchcenter/docs/agradoc356.pdf the effect of how you live your life on the life you bring into the world is noticible even on a genetic level given large populations and long scales of time this becomes the nature as culture and envirnments effect selection processes within the species which produces ofspring with different traits than those found outside the group that is breeding most often with itself than any outside group.
_Is this guy asking us to do his research for him_
that would be amusing
would be funny if i somehow got roped into doing that for someone to do a public debate
starting injectin falso info here and there 😃
LMAO no, I've been doing my own research too, just figured this might be a good place to find people who may already have some links to hand which could help me. Of course I'll be going through everything, as well as what I have so far.
my hypothosis is that you cannot simply take an average zygote from any person on earth and render an average person from them. their genetics has some effect on who they will become, as their treatment from conception to atleast the age of 25
longterm i think theres a relationship between genetics and envirnment that ultimately effects the diversion of species
Problem I'm having is the muddied waters - my compatriot keeps bringing up the race:IQ correlation (which he asserts is biological) and then the IQ:crime correlation to support his hypothesis that it's entirely biological.
Also states that race:crime is biological; he asserts this on the basis that on average, blacks have more testosterone and a higher fight-or-flight reflex... but since things like your posture, can chance your testosterone (and other brain chemicals), there's something to be said for a cultural/social reason for this too. Plus none of the studies I have found so far measure across cultures for the same races.
For example, the higher fight-or-flight reflex would be understandable for people who are constantly aware of external threats. #MudHutsVsDoubleGlazing
I mean, my main argument is "why does it matter".
Whether it's biological or cultural, you can't make policy around it.. you shouldn't, for example, make immigration policy that discriminates blacks because they have a higher propensity for violence.. that would be illiberal. But I really wanna drill down into the subject with him. Curiosity is peaked
im not sure how they messure testosterone averages between people but the only way i think there could be established a connection is by messuring the genes responcible for testosterone production because SO many factors go into testosterone levels in your native resting conditions that it can change after a few hours