true, so many overlapping discussions at once .... hard to follow who is responding to whom.... cannot imagine how crowded Sargon's channel must be

I joined when they where creating it, now that was an amazing shitshow

I'm guessing it's about as organized as this one was until recently

ima move to <#463054787336732683>

also i think that theres a few good reasons to have a federal postal service, for one in the us atleast its one of those few socialized services that competes with private bussiness just enough that private bussinesses always have a compatition but are never squashed under by the federal system. also one must ask, if theres no federal system, if you have your package lost by postal, is it theft? see the government cant steal from you but additionally the government must follow the same rules as corporations when they compete with eachother but that also means that corporations gain some of those benefits, thus neither fedex, ups, or the postal service can technically steal from you

wow, a lot to unpack from that statement lol. definitely disagree though 😉

I'm amazed that this debate that I accidentally started this morning is still going 12 hours later

for all sorts of reasons.... regular businesses get undercut by the govt services so too hard for them to compete... businesses dont hav ethe power to tax, only to persuade consumer to choose them, but the govt doesnt care bcuz it will tax regardless, and if its doing a poor job, well it will just tax more and cry and under funding, when in a normal functioning business, it would just go under if it cannot sustain itself economically, and that is a good thing, all in the name of correcting and recorrecting the best means of allocating resources, etc. but the govt does not have these sorts of input/output indicators, nor do they run on the same incentives as businesses, in fact gov services are incentivized to do a worse job because they will be rewarded with more money if they perform poorly, so the incentivce structure are completely backwards perverse in the govt structure

you should meet aussiearyan

Oh, I've met aussiearyan

i debated him once for 5 hours, went to sleep, he was still arguing with people when i woke up

a full 8 hour sleep

I tried to moderate a debate between him and somebody else once.

3 hours later I said "Sorry, but I've got to go. Try to be civil, everybody"

@Poptarts you argued my real life example with an rationality

in real life right now fedex and ups compete with the national post service and often outcompete it to the point at one time there was talk of the post service being dropped

of course the government can steal from you, thats the nature of their business and of taxation.... businesses are much more sensitive to bad reputation hurting their business, but gov is not effected by that bcuz they dont allow anyone to compete with the mailing letters anyways... so no competition to worry about

mail fraud?

sure, they can compete with parcel packages, etc. but makes no sense for the USPS to hold a legal monopoly over the simple little paper envelope letters to be mailed

my point is that the USPS has unfair businesses advantages that is not part of the level playing field that everyone else has to operate under, why it should be privatised to compete more faily just like the others

not to mention they have an enormous market share... just imagine how muc hmarket share will be freed up to allow many other UPS and Fed Ex type of businesses to enter the industry

i mean you say it does but it competes so poorly that its private competitors already beat it so badly it costs the government money rather than make the governemnt money

okay then, whats the point? sounds like youre kinda support my idea lol 😛

if it does a poor job at it, why force citizens to pay for it?

if you killed usps you wouldent see a 3rd competitor come up, youd just see the 2 at the top kill anything that got in their way to get stronger

DHL was a thing

kinda still is

naw, you dont know that. youre just presuming. of course many more competitors will spring up bcuz that is the nature of innovation and startups

sorry just popping in with some thoughts ocassionally

entrepreneurs always thinking of ways to offer better services at lower prices .... good for the consumer!

am i arguing with an ancap? xD

i dont really considermyself an ancap 😉

more objectivist leaning .... market liberal, classical liberal, etc

next youll tell me the government should completely deregulate bussiness to the point child labor is legal again

child labor was already on the decline before child labor laws came in due to rapid economic growth and modernization

but if a 12 y/o wants work experience or to apprentice, who are you to say no to that?

Academic Agent did a good video on child labor too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg_UuhHDcGI

that's stepping into the realm of child consent

work experience can potentially be much more valuable than a typical run of the mill education.... especially after 12 years of public indoctrination schooling .... they come out with no real world skills.... we should be encouraging children to explore skillsets and different technical disciplines that they enjoy

and boy oh boy is there a good reason for that not being a thing