firearms safety is VERY important to the point that I believe in the US it should be taught in school, but the fear is that some states would make passing the class such a hassle that it would be a loop hole to de facto ban guns

^they said no one needs to learn about gun safety, then when accidents with guns goes up, they blame the guns so they try to ban them all :V

Honestly I am all for gun education in schools

the law is (should be) there to make sure no one infringes on the rights of others, not to protect YOU

The law should not get in the way of my fundamental ability to defend myself or those around me

I personally own a Mossberg M500A1 and a Sig Sauer 1911 full size. Based on a little bit of personal experience I do not believe in "Constitutional Carry" I think Concealed Carry should be "Shall Issue" and all States should reciprocate and accept other CC permits.

There can be examination to make sure my claim is honest

As far as Open Carry, you do you.

open carry is stupid even as a tactical option...

I have no guns, and have no intention of owning any, but care about my right to choose

But there should not be a scenario where I defend myself or another citizen honestly and then go to prison for it

It does light you up as a target if the criminals are not deterred.

Has there ever been a case where something like that has happened?

^woman was in a car accident, car was on fire, good samaritan pulled her out before the car went up in flames, she is now disabled, sued good samaritan arguing she would have been fine if he did not move her... she won...

Outside of America for sure

"Excessive force" if you defend yourself too hard

I think I've seen one case where someone got their open carried handgun pickpocketed , but really he should have been using a holster more like the police do where it's hard to get out unless you're used to it

^i love the concept of excessive force, oh you shot him when he was beating you with his fists, excessive force! :V

https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/carrying-openly-make-target/

thanks

excessive force is very dicey.

@Schedrevka also why do you think gun robbers shoot the floor guard first when robbing a bank? :V

That's a bit different than an unexpected citizen carrying a gun

And that guy got mugged. Same thing would've happened if he had a new Iphone out

It's dicey because it offers unclear parameters in an unclear scenario as to how you're allowed to defend yourself

It's worse in Canada where you are expected both to run away and to announce any weapons you have and your intent to use them should that not be sufficient

You have to audibly up the ante when someone has already escalated to the point of violence

^well in the us, they have rules where if force is applied to a person who isn't a threat, you are now the aggressor, because a person mugging you all of sudden knocked unconscious, you cannot continue hitting him after he is not longer a threat..

Sure, and the endpoint should be when you are no longer at risk

If the guy was concealed carrying there is a chance he could have turned the tables on the mugger.

But who knows when the attacker is no longer a threat?

Sure, I don't think anyone's arguing that concealed carry is generally safer for the carrier

When he flees, falls unconscious or dies is a pretty decent baseline

^it's up to the jury to decide if the person is reasonably in fear of bodily harm or not... that's why it goes to court..

because the 'victim' may perceive that the attacker could still be a threat

, a guy cannot make it up since all facts will be shown in court when a DA looks at it, and you are like, "oh he's on the ground, but i still fear for my life, so i put another 3 shots in him" won't fly for the judge or the jury...

Plus if you don't want that scenario, don't attack people

^well if he surrenders, you cannot continue using the same level of force as lethal anymore, you can do a citizen arrest, however..

For sure

I'm just saying if you're worried about the grey area, try not assaulting people

but california wants all gun owners to give the assailants a day in court as they are stabbing you with a knife :V goddamn liberalism is a disease...