Message from @Beemann

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2018-07-14 23:50:05 UTC  

Your issue ultimately isn't specific to ancapistan and your solution is to allow tyranny to grow

2018-07-14 23:50:14 UTC  

Which is a strategy that provably doesn't work

2018-07-14 23:50:25 UTC  

The us is tyranny?

2018-07-14 23:50:37 UTC  

Your solution to an invading force is to keep fleeing

2018-07-14 23:50:47 UTC  

And again, the US is temporary, it is not a constant

2018-07-14 23:50:58 UTC  

Do people not do that?

2018-07-14 23:51:01 UTC  

It will not always be a superpower and it will not always be free

2018-07-14 23:51:05 UTC  

Flee war?

2018-07-14 23:51:20 UTC  

They do, and when everyone does it, what happens?

2018-07-14 23:51:45 UTC  

Tell me, how effective was isis or Al queda?

2018-07-14 23:51:54 UTC  

The 20th century is full of examples of what happens when you refuse or are u able to defend yourself against tyrants

2018-07-14 23:51:54 UTC  

Any of the Syria rebels?

2018-07-14 23:52:12 UTC  

Right because no other major issues were caused by Syria

2018-07-14 23:52:18 UTC  

It's all just localized to the middle east

2018-07-14 23:52:39 UTC  

Why haven't any of those groups kept control?

2018-07-14 23:52:53 UTC  

Because there's a bigger tyrant

2018-07-14 23:53:07 UTC  

And said tyrant is attacking other countries

2018-07-14 23:53:24 UTC  

And has done so under a prior imperial regime

2018-07-14 23:54:07 UTC  

So all European countries and the US are, in fact, tyrants?

2018-07-14 23:54:20 UTC  

Russia is

2018-07-14 23:54:26 UTC  

Russia is backing Assad

2018-07-14 23:54:45 UTC  

Russia is why ISIS has been forced out of Iraq?

2018-07-14 23:54:59 UTC  

Russia is why none of the rebel groups unseated Assad

2018-07-14 23:56:00 UTC  

So in other words, smaller states or groups of people are only allowed to exist if bigger states allow them?

2018-07-14 23:58:33 UTC  

In an area where the larger stare already controls and is familiar with the landscape?

2018-07-14 23:58:47 UTC  

As opposed to your prior example of a foreign invading force?

2018-07-15 00:00:49 UTC  

Methinks the goalposts have shifted somewhat. Further, before the obvious example is used, Assad didn't make Syria out of nothing. It's a long established plot of land

2018-07-15 00:02:07 UTC  

Getting back to my previous point: who stops the warlord and who stops the formation of a state who want to oppose the warlord?

2018-07-15 00:02:44 UTC  

How do you stop the greedy from playing within the rules, bending them slightly, to form power?

2018-07-15 00:02:58 UTC  

How do you stop history from repeating itself?

2018-07-15 00:03:32 UTC  

Stop the tribes from giving way to kingdoms from giving way to empires?

2018-07-15 00:04:30 UTC  

All of human history is basically the story of NAP. You don't hurt me, I don't hurt you. But then someone doesn't play nice.

2018-07-15 00:04:51 UTC  

And someone else uses that to gain power

2018-07-15 00:05:01 UTC  

Most of history had no equalizers

2018-07-15 00:05:12 UTC  

And another someone uses that to gain power in opposition.

2018-07-15 00:05:25 UTC  

The US has multiple instances of the citizenry overcoming components of the state by force

2018-07-15 00:05:39 UTC  

And then a group of people who dislike both sides gang up.

2018-07-15 00:06:04 UTC  

Yes, and we have a document we really behind to do that

2018-07-15 00:06:47 UTC  

You proposing a one world constitution?

2018-07-15 00:07:16 UTC  

And everyone following it when we have factions already not following it?

2018-07-15 02:46:01 UTC  

What? I'm saying if someone attacks you, you defend yourself. There are many historical instances of smaller defensive forces fucking over large powers