I think people are going to have to learn the costs of convenience

That includes discord fwiw

so what you are saying is that government intervention has already fucked things up so we need more government intervention to fuck things up more?

And the non-google companies (mostly phone companies) have already complained about Google abusing the Play store to essentially mandate features and requirements.

@Grenade123 That's one way to interpret it. An unfortunate one, but a possibly necessary one.

Unless you have a plan to deal with Europe and China somehow.

@Beemann Spoiler alert: they won't.

I would say the solution needs to be user sought, or we're not solving the problem

Up until they're staving on the streets or something, peoplejust don't care.

If that means we have hordes of normies using shit platforms then so be it

That's not really true either though

People care once they're affected to a significant degree, as determined by them

For some people the fappening was a reason to not use the apple cloud. For some people Facebook being scummy was enough to leave the platform

For some people Alex Jones being on twitter was reason enough to leave

Also, why are we assuming Social media is all that important? "But the discourse is all on here" yeah, because its free and everyone is here. We lived before the internet, we can live without it again. If anything, it has aid out rage mobs, taken focus away from local issues and thrust them into parts of the world where you have no control. And they make money off of your privacy. They are not a good force. Let them ban people they dislike, it will only bring more surprises like trump.

I don't think a singular centralized platform is necessary for humans to function, or even a necessary part of the web

people will be forced to talk to their neighbors again. Heaven forbid!

conservatives at least. the leftists would still be stuck in the matrix

they will care about the shithole their town is becoming again. They will know their fellow humans are not as bad as they think because there is a face and a name they can relate to. They will have a shared interest.

so much focus has been put on global/national problems people ignored hte local and it will kill us.

social media is not important. not nearly as important as people think.

its a trend used by children who forgot to grow up.

a place where people project a fake version of themselves

and if it is a public utility, does that mean my internet needs to be even more regulated to make sure i can still get access to it?

because that is just what i want, even less choices for internet.

What, abandon the space? Let your opponents organize and recruit online and you'll sit aside in your tiny little circle waiting for them to find an excuse to shut you down?

Is that *really* your strategy?

organize in the open? thinking they are safe? yes.

how can i abandon a space i was never on?

You do know that the internet is a key platform and driver for basically all modern commerce.

trump didn't win because of facebook, or twitter.

"Trump didn't win because of Facebook or Twitter"

That means Nothing of the future.

Or are you telling me you plan to speak up at work.

You have a new organization to replace the role of social media among the young.

You lock yourself out of the conversation and you become the fringe. The extreme. You get locked out for good.

i don't want to force the young generation to have to use facebook no.

just like i wasn't forced to use myspace

trump won because of 4chan, right? there are 4chan alternatives on the darkweb

message boards have been around forever. facebook is just the latest form of tech that has been around since the start of the internet

*The Dark web* That's your strategy?

it just happened to be around when "normies" started using the internet more regularly.