So, there's got to be some middle ground on that.

Here we have it, though

i think what the middle ground is will always be up for debate

Like all areas, my answer is more data

The company should have the _Responsibility_ to inform, while the individual should have the _right_ to ignore the warnings.

if both parties own a recording of the transaction and whatnot

yup thats a good way to put it i think, rye

legalism becomes much simpler

I don't like Lawyers and Insurance companies running everything.

If you want to look at the ruling class, look no further than that.

but they operate under a monopoly that has perceived public legitimacy, so thats why i personally don't think it's a good metric

Lawyers and insurance companies?

yeah, some insurance companies gets to use government force to make people have to buy them by law

thats quite a way to secure your profits

Well, yeah,

I mean... here where I live

We used to have a municipal pool.

One for each of the cities in this region, actually.

Several years ago, almost simultaneously, they started closing down.

It used to be a fond memory of mine, going to the pool, seeing what kind of jumps I could do off the diving board

If only there were human interest lobbies composed of independent entrepreneurs to represent the actual people, huh?

Like, say, if human resource companies suddenly pulled a hydraulic despotism?

i think everyone can only represent themselves

But a litigious society brought about the reign of Attorneys and Insurance.

And now there exists one public pool in about 80 miles.

i personally believe we're seeing the worst combination of attorneys and insurance within the current paradigm

and they had to remove their damned diving boards to accommodate their insurance policy.

I didn't quite realize what was going on until I worked at a summer camp, where their diving boards were removed for insurance reasons.

They were in the process of replacing it with a slide, but that's not the same. Hardly a point to a deep end, then.

so we want more freedoms to take on more risks

to have more personal responsibility

Personal Responsibility. Now that's a damned concept.

I am responsible for what I do.

Provided that the maintenance for what you supply is in good condition

if we signaled to companies that we agree with the terms, maybe they wouldnt need insurance from getting sued by people who dont want to take responsibility

but i get the impression the state doesnt allow us the freedoms to take those risks

It's not your damn fault if I hit my head on the diving board.

Culture's departed from that.

because public safety

I get where you're going with that, and all, but it's a cultural problem. If you could fix Culture towards a stateless society, you could much more easily control the state as it exists.

yeah i agree