Message from @MaxKolbe
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@Vigil Reading the Bible in a shallow idiotic manner like that doesn't win you any points with Christians who are as smart as you or smarter, sorry.
Dude I was Roman Catholic for 17 years, you wanna know my findings on the Bible?
Please don't tell Christians how to read the Bible, and I suggest you stop reading it yourself, it's obvious you don't understand it with remarks like that. 😉
@MaxKolbe I was going for *argumentum ad absurdism* but my point was that I wouldn't consider the free market "god" for the purposes of religion.
@Vigil No not particularly, I've tlaked to tons of ex-Catholics and heard their stories ad nauseum. They usually boil down to poor catechesis or Father Issues.
It's a good philosophical concept, but kinda distinct from how it's used in most religions.
>literal scripture
>you're just reading it wrong
Oh boy it's this again
@pratel I can see that. But my remark stands. People treat economics like a God, and that's a problem, because economics is a shifty, dodgy thing that involves quite a bit of subjectivity that doesn't always work out in the neat way Market worshippers imagine.
Agreed.
Though that's a bit of a tangent.
@Beeman "I can read the scriptures any way I want, and inform others that's how to read it, and I can ignore anything the people who actually believe and practice it have to say." Yes, I'm familiar with that old saw.
It's certainly better than most distribution systems though.
Wrong, God abandoned me and I realised I had to grow up, stop being a little boy, and take accountability. The Bible was primarily a historical document on the history of the Jewish people and then the prophets and Jesus come along as a refutation of old Jewish law and Roman rule. Revelations is a log of the fall of the Roman empire, and the Book Of Amos literally calls out the hypocritical belief that rich Jewish people were rewarded by God so therefore the poor were sinners and shouldn't be helped
@Vigil That's abuncyh of interesting claims. I've heard them from others.
a bunch
Then enlighten me, o future pope
Hey quick question, if all the prophets go to Heaven and Elisha killed 42 children for making fun of his bald head, does God endorse murderers or do you accept that even the prophets themselves were flawed sinners but God chose preferential treatment and let them into Heaven regardless?
Just wondering if you approve of either murder or corrupt dictatorships
Enlighten you on what? "God abandoned me and I realized I had to grow up" -- God didn't abandon you you abandoned God but whatever. Also, I abandoned my own atheism when I realized I had to grow up and stop pretending that my own limited faculties were not sufficient either to explain the universe OR h ow to have a decent, good, and moral life. You're only going to find those things in strong philosophies, or religion, or ideally, a religion which has both.
Lol when I abandoned God by giving myself those pesky mental health issues
"Hey quick question, if all the prophets go to Heaven and Elisha killed 42 children for making fun of his bald head, does God endorse murderers or do you accept that even the prophets themselves were flawed sinners but God chose preferential treatment and let them into Heaven regardless?" -- See? STill more loaded questions and presuppositions and projections. I don't accept those assertions about the Bible you're making. You're reaeding it wrong, and not the way smart Christians do. Th at is a fact. Now you can keep with your pirmitive beliefs, and acting like I share you rprimtive beliefs, but the rest of us don't have to share them with you. ;Believe wh atever you want, but I don't see it your way, sorry.
How do we always end up arguing about religion these days?
You're allowed to not have an answer for things. I don't know the origin, I don't know where I go when I die. I'm a good person anyway, Max, and if you need any more incentive, but you're exactly the arrogant demagogue Jesus died disproving
No one gets anything and it's not even useful because it's all metaphysics.
@pratel Probably because the faddish Atheism that took so much of Internet-active Millenials is a dying movement, people are figuring it out, and lookoing for alternatives. They've also realized some of their standardbearerrs/heroes, like Sargon, are pretty worthless.
Amos 7:10-17 is this conversation, Max, and newsflash, you're Amaziah
Also, it's just a fact of life that atheism is going away in the general population, here and in Europe and most of the rest of the world, and young people are coming up rejecting atheism. Most people do.
Alright, I'm off. Good debate. Goodnight lads
@MaxKolbe That's not what the polls are saying. I'd wager Sargon has done more than you have.
Don't worry guys, we're just dumb-dumbs who read the words wrong by not imagining a way for them to make sense
@pratel It's exactly what the social science data shows. If you want to look at it I'll give you some references. As for what Sargon's done versus what I've done--pfft. You don't know anything that I"ve done, but, I can't detect that Sargon's ever accomplished much of anything except shitting on people. Some of them deserved it, so that's fine, but he has nothing to offer and no accomplishments otherwise that I can detect. Which is why I listen to smarter people who actually have constructive ideas now.
These references sound interesting at the very least.
@Vigil "Don't worry guys, we can just keep lying and saying they have no rational basis for their beliefs, and we can intentionally read the book wrong, in ways we actually know they don't, to make them look bad. By doing this, we'll make ourselves more popular than ever!" Yeah, good luck with that.
I'd disagree. Sargon has created a small movement and is out making noise attracting people to his point of view.
He's essentially an activist. And people are talking about him and his ideas (or attacks). As far as activists are concerned, that's success.
Literally when I was Christian I prayed for stuff and when I became atheist I actually started making a difference. I prayed for God's help with my weight but I had to exercise to lose it. I prayed for God's help with my exam results but had to study to pass. I prayed for God's help all my life but God never came through, I did
your wasting your time arguing with an appoligist, an appoligists life is to argue, they live to steal easy victorys from the unconvicted or to out last and beat down the time constrained and the weak of consitution. at best you can be as convicted, durible, and lifeless as they are so that you can waste their time as much as your own. but at that point how much do either of you value it?
Having watched him attack and smear multiple activists, I see that he's done nothing but help make it socially acceptable to criticize feminists. Beyond that, I see no evidence he's any sort of hero or done anything meaningful. I'm not neutral as I've one of the ones he's smeared and slimed, but I'm hnardly the only one.
The polls I am referring to indicate that Gen Z is even more atheist (And the millennials were already pretty atheist)