Message from Grenade123 in Subverse #debate


2018-09-28 06:54:40 UTC  

At best Ford is knowingly letting herself be used as a weapon against a man she isn't sure about. At worst she is a slandering political hack.

2018-09-28 06:54:44 UTC  

Well, knowing he has a blind spot doesn't mean he doesn't have credibility. He has proven to be accurate and truthful in most other areas so I still trust him.

2018-09-28 06:54:56 UTC  

I think he just doesn't want to accuse people willy nilly

2018-09-28 06:54:58 UTC  

Oh, I do mean in this particualr area

2018-09-28 06:59:02 UTC  

Man I didn't get to watch all of it live. but just saw a clip of the polygraph part. She admits crying through the polygraph test. Doesn't being over emotional through a polygraph test invalidate it?

2018-09-28 07:00:00 UTC  

I don't know enough about Polygraphs..but aren't they inadmissible in court because they just aren't really all that accurate?

2018-09-28 07:01:59 UTC  

I was just pointing out that it almost definitely gave even worse results if she was crying while giving the test

2018-09-28 07:57:57 UTC  

Polygraphs prove nothing except for heart rate

2018-09-28 08:40:34 UTC  

By the way, Tim saying I know because her behavior. She's a psychology professor she might be capable of faking the behavior. And that was Tim's only "evidence". I don't have twitter or post on social media, but I didn't appreciate him saying that people who think she might be a sham are shit. Lindsey Graham pointed out that Feinstein office was recommending a lawyer to Ford before august 20 when he met with Feinstein meaning Ford was prepping about a month before they revealed the allegation. Ford could have declined to be involved or voiced her lack of confidence in it being Kavanaugh but chose to at that time go in on the political stunt before she got coaching as Tim speculates. Even if something real happened to Ford at some point, most evidence points to her being a political operative in this instance. This is where Tim blind spot is revealed.
Does anyone know any good reporters for these sexual assault cases? This seems to be an area that's a real blind spot for a lot of people covering the news (not just Tim). Shapiro is pretty bad on this as well, Philly eat a D isn't great either, and a lot of others don't cover it (I don't blame them).

2018-09-28 11:06:56 UTC  

Can pls ask someone Ben if he is a Siscon?

2018-09-28 11:08:21 UTC  

He said a couple of times that his sister was the one who introduced his wife to him....

2018-09-28 11:48:45 UTC  

The thing to remember with Tim's stance is that, unless you can find the info to say "there is no way she could have been in that area during that time and she knows it", it's hard to prove she is actually lying. However, for him to actually declare she is lying opens him up to slander.

2018-09-28 11:51:45 UTC  

There is also the fact that someone, with a very similar style story may be discouraged if the default response they all see on the news is "clearly women who have blocked out memories are just lying for some kind of gains or revenge". The easiest way for Tim to avoid all these pitfalls is to simply say "whoever assaulted her wasn't Kav, and the Dems clearly have been using this for political gains at her experense"

2018-09-28 11:53:56 UTC  

Declaring her guilty without evidence is no better than declaring Kav guilty without evidence. And unfortunately, the beauty of her allegation is that it is very hard to prove she lied. And if you really want to prove she had ill intent, follow the money. Her attorney is working for free, so follow that go fund me money.

2018-09-28 14:12:25 UTC  

And tim fucks rabbits

2018-09-28 14:12:44 UTC  

See its not Tim’s job to prove he’s not a rabbit rapist

2018-09-28 14:12:57 UTC  

Its my job to show he’s a bunny fucker

2018-09-28 14:13:19 UTC  

If i cant then I should not be belived

2018-09-28 14:18:27 UTC  

but you might not be lying

2018-09-28 14:18:47 UTC  

you may very well have seen him fuck a rabbit.

2018-09-28 14:18:53 UTC  

but didn't take a video or a pitcutr

2018-09-28 14:18:58 UTC  

You are right so we should stop watching tim because of the allegation

2018-09-28 14:19:36 UTC  

Btw I saw you fucking the rabbit too

2018-09-28 14:23:03 UTC  

Grenade is correct

2018-09-28 14:23:23 UTC  

My problem is with tim saying she's honest, she's not. He could just say her claims are not credible.

2018-09-28 14:24:10 UTC  

Because she wasn't proven a liar in her accusations.

2018-09-28 14:24:33 UTC  

Perjury is a crime.

2018-09-28 14:24:43 UTC  

perjury is hard to prove

2018-09-28 14:24:52 UTC  

Innocent until proven guilty is in effect though

2018-09-28 14:25:10 UTC  

are the media and dems treating him like he's innocent?

2018-09-28 14:25:41 UTC  

And so we do to others what we don't want done to us?

2018-09-28 14:26:17 UTC  

It's apparent and provable that the left is playing a political game with the accusation

2018-09-28 14:26:18 UTC  

Die with principles huh?

2018-09-28 14:26:59 UTC  

We can accuse them, but to difinitively state that she is lying on all counts, that nothing ever happened to her

2018-09-28 14:27:22 UTC  

That's Bullshit.

2018-09-28 14:27:23 UTC  

I want the burden of proof to be held above my claims and everyone else’s I dont believe shit unless i have evidence and anyone who does believes without evidence is a twat

2018-09-28 14:27:43 UTC  

Don't need to say she's lying. just that the claims have no credibility

2018-09-28 14:27:52 UTC  

the "claims"

2018-09-28 14:28:02 UTC  

Well why did you rape me

2018-09-28 14:28:08 UTC  

Why

2018-09-28 14:28:09 UTC  

I'm pretty sure Tim's said that much.