Message from Atkins in Subverse #debate


2018-09-28 14:48:28 UTC  

Also why do we have to destroy the accuser?

2018-09-28 14:48:59 UTC  

I agree with you to an extent but that is a separate issue

2018-09-28 14:49:13 UTC  

regardless of whether he's put on scotus democrats are going to try to impeach him.

2018-09-28 14:49:42 UTC  

If the Dems weren't playing politics they would have investigated and nothing would have happened because she hasn't provided evidence.

2018-09-28 14:49:56 UTC  

Your stance is to burn the protection that burden of proof applies

2018-09-28 14:50:19 UTC  

what protection?

2018-09-28 14:50:47 UTC  

Lying to Congress is a crime

2018-09-28 14:51:05 UTC  

they crafted the accusation vague enough so she couldn't be jailed.

2018-09-28 14:51:11 UTC  

And you are convicting her in the court of public opinion

2018-09-28 14:51:38 UTC  

You're no better than them in that regard

2018-09-28 14:52:13 UTC  

There's a cultural issue plaguing both sides.

2018-09-28 14:53:18 UTC  

This is extremely simple NO EVIDENCE NO BELIEF

2018-09-28 14:53:27 UTC  

I am saying this never should have gotten this far.

2018-09-28 14:53:53 UTC  

Right now outside they're saying believe all women.

2018-09-28 14:54:06 UTC  

all smiles

2018-09-28 14:54:21 UTC  

What I don't get is the automatic dismissal of someone's testimony based on the fact that she's unclear on certain details.

2018-09-28 14:54:55 UTC  

'false in one, false in all'

2018-09-28 14:55:16 UTC  

Is a legal principle

2018-09-28 14:55:25 UTC  

A person can be sure something happened in childhood and not remember the date/time.

2018-09-28 14:55:36 UTC  

Yeah, why dismiss on lack of evidence? /s

2018-09-28 14:55:53 UTC  

there needs to be corroborating witnesses and/or evidence. individual testimony is worth very little, even less if there is no specificity or if it's unfalsifiable.

2018-09-28 14:56:07 UTC  

witnesses deny it happened, even her friend

2018-09-28 14:57:14 UTC  

if you want to help women who have been victimized you need to start teaching young girls to immediately come forward when they have been victimized, and to go to the police. the police. not friends, not family, no teachers, or therapists. the police.

2018-09-28 14:57:30 UTC  

she didn't even do that

2018-09-28 14:57:45 UTC  

Why would the friend remember? She was downstairs.

2018-09-28 14:57:51 UTC  

and it's not victim blaming to tell young girls not to engage in demonstrably stupid and risky activities.

2018-09-28 14:58:08 UTC  

like underage drinking at a party where you don't know anyone.

2018-09-28 14:58:09 UTC  

Her friend said she never met brett.

2018-09-28 14:58:25 UTC  

and doesn't remember being at any event like the one described

2018-09-28 14:59:06 UTC  

met probably meaning being in the same place at one point in all their years

2018-09-28 14:59:11 UTC  

people claiming to be feminists are infantilizing women and removing their agency, and actually exacerbating the problems they're claiming to champion.

2018-09-28 14:59:32 UTC  

yeah, I hate this because it make credible claims look bad as well

2018-09-28 14:59:51 UTC  

credible = with more evidence

2018-09-28 15:02:05 UTC  

I expect more claims with no evidence or credibility until some people start looking at their own biases

2018-09-28 15:02:08 UTC  

You guys don't see the trap you're in.

2018-09-28 15:02:17 UTC  

I'll explain in a moment

2018-09-28 15:03:08 UTC  

Is the trap that I want evidence? (and we didn't get it in this case)

2018-09-28 15:07:22 UTC  

I'll check back in and try to respond when you post your thing. Got to do some work.

2018-09-28 15:13:11 UTC  

Lindsey Graham was right. Change my mind

2018-09-28 15:15:57 UTC  

@Beemann He's Republican QED

2018-09-28 15:16:23 UTC  

So was McCain