Message from @oprahsminge
Discord ID: 496700460254887941
If you allow Dr. Ford's testimony to in any way affect your perception of Judge Kavanaugh's moral character, something has already been lost.
That's because you're looking it as either
"The accusation is 100% correct"
Or
"The accusation is 100% incorrect"
It could be that Ford was assaulted, but not by Kav
Sure, but that is also the crucial matter determining whether Kavanaugh is even 1% guilty, or whatever you want to call it.
Right but it's not a necessary fact that Kavanaugh is guilty for Ford to have been a victim
Sure, but what we are opining on here is not the guilt of Kavanaugh, not the existence of Ford's abuser.
So you can believe that someone is victimized, and then go "okay, let's see if we can determine the victimizsr"
because Ford's alternative perpetrator is not present, and has not been named.
That's not what Tim's comments have necessarily addressed
I've found he's made clear distinctions in general
And even directly stated that it's possible, perhaps even probable, for Kav to be innocent and Ford to be a victim
Sure, but I think it is hard to draw a clear distinction here between acknowledging accusations, and believing accusations.
I can fully acknowledge Dr. Ford's testimony without believing its contents, which include fingering Judge Kavanaugh as the perpetrator.
but I must be careful not to characterize the acknowledgement as a "partial belief"
because Judge Kavanaugh can't really be _a little bit guilty of sexual assault_.
You can also believe some or nearly all of her testimony without presuming the guilt of Kavanaugh
My point is that belief in the parts of the accuser's testimony which are insufficient to establish the crime alleged should not have any effect on my perception of the accused as guilty of that crime.
Sure
Otherwise that gives the broad public the ability to generally paint anyone as guilty of just about anything.
(if only to the slightest degree)
Pence was right
Right about what?
Using principles to avoid the specter of impropriety?
You still need records, to complete that deal.
true
Doesn't protect Mike Pence from the "Mike and his buddy tied me up and spitroast me in a DC alley!" type accusations.
shit
Well, you can always go full NEET and then make sure whenever you go ANYWHERE you have a camera on you AND... I was going to say a woman with you but what if that woman is the one that accuses you?
heheh
my god we're all fucked
Well, I don't record 100% of the time currently, but most of the time yes.
BACK TO THE BUNKER
usually not video
I agree with @xorgy on this matter. Giving Ford the characteristics honest and credible are not appropriate because the one thing she is sure of (100%) is that the attack was done by Kavanaugh. Everything else she was unsure of. Saying you partially believe her when pretty much the entirety of her accusation is "Kavanaugh assaulted me" is not giving Kavanuagh any presumption of innocence. Because you now only arguing over what percent of an assault Kavanaugh executed. Even if you're separating the issue better in your head when you say she's honest all other people hear is Kavanugh is guilty.
Can we start funding the mass immigration of leftists to Europe
that would benefit everyone involved
Agreed. Let's kickstarter that shit
I'm still waiting for all the people who threatened to leave to actually leave
Well it won't be willingly.
We would all be so much happier
separation is preferable to a big bloody war and lgbt death squads
i can't really imagine an lgbt death squad without laughing