Yep. Brave new world.

I mean like 1h-ish ago

Yep.

Look, brass tacks... if the DNC doesn't respect your ability to defend yourself, they have no reason to not attack constantly and be as absurdly degenerate about it as possible. To make them behave themselves, they have to respect your ability to return the favor.

And in that is respect born.

Human beings are never 100% rational, even at the best of times. And especially in groups. So why is it that people think that a nation's worth of people will be influenced by truth as opposed to a spirit of idealism?

Sorry, we need the respect of the "absurdly degenerate"?

beeman, you're strawmanning me. I didn't say war metaphors were wrong. I criticized nuclear weapons metaphors.

Now, I thought we were past this? Do you really want to drag the discussion back to your really very rude character attacks? Because I'm really tired of it.

@TheDogOfSinope They will not respect you for doing this. At all.

Respect implies mutual agreement concerning whatever. About the only thing that the DNC agrees with the RNC is that Americans need to pick a side.

I was willing to let bygones be bygone. I'm not even asking for an apology even though you owe me two now... I'm simply asking you to stop. IF that's too much to ask then I'm going to assume you're just a troll.

Just stop with the character attacks. That's all I'm asking.

It didn't used to be that way either. There was more of a blending between the two parties.

you criticized comparison between political discussion and nuclear weapons on the basis of scale. Apparently you set the terms fo what scale is hyperbolic

Back to the original argument, gents?

that's not a character attack, that's pointing out that the parameters under which you are operating are less than honest

the notion as well, that this wont hit the republicans, when the solution seems to be to adopt the same tactics in kind frankly doesnt make sense

the idea that "we defeat an idea by giving it more legitimacy" is illogical, not pragmatic

and that's all adopting idpol does

Okay, Beemann is going to be ignored by me until I get two apologies from him then. I gave him the opportunity to defuse the situation and simply stop. But he deliberately pulled the discussion back to a point of bickering for no reason. So I'm not talking to you anymore until you PM me an apology.

You and I are done.

@Farscryer happy enough to continue the discussion with you if you want.

I'm down

My points?

cowardice will sure win the political "war"*
*not a nuclear war, that's hyperbolic lol

As regards mutual agreements, that isn't why a bankrobber respects the police. There's no mutual agreement. It isn't why the wolf respects the bear.

the DNC does what they do because they see no risk. You create that risk and that gives predators pause.

What they're doing is in direct contradiction of agreed ethics.

They don't hold their oaths because they see no reprisal for violating their oaths.

But somewhere along the line, something had to have occurred to warrant such a radical shift in perspective. Because they were originally two POVs looking at the same problem, not teams.

They lost. That was their problem. Look back into time and see the democrats 100 years ago when this stuff started. They were a lot weaker and were not in a position that would lead to their party doing well into the future. They shifted their ideology and tactics at that time.

DNC used to be the party of Southern slave holders and non integrationists.

these tactics gave them the political territory of their RNC rivals... the american industrial north... it gave them the cities... it gave them the media... it gave them academia...

They held the US congress for 60 years just about straight.

You can't argue with the effectiveness.

And power begets power, go on...

You ask why they do this... this is why they do it. They lost, changed their perspective, and have been doing well for a long time using these tactics.

They won't stop until it stops working.

Ok, so here's my opinion/perspective: The DNC can't win using the tactics they are using. Everything they have done is sorted and archived on the internet. Videos of attacks, of statements, and the like. This is why Hillary lost. Her own base did her in because lack of care on their actions in combination with the internet and social media. All those asshole Tweets and Youtube videos add up.

The RNC can't compete here because to do so would tarnish there own credibility by being the punching bag of the left. What they can do is provide a better vision of the future than what the DNC is currently building.

And capitalizing on that involves recognizing that there is a marked interest in traditional values on the internet, amongst there own base that is stifled from being public and active on social media.

No one likes seeing kids in drag being sexualized in front of very, very older people, sensitivity of LGBT issues aside. Lines have been very clearly crossed by the DNC and the RNC should know this. Because their younger population certainly does.

I understand this "the internet will make lying not work anymore" argument... I just don't believe it can over come the concept of deceit itself. I have a lot of respect for the internet's healing powers... but its not THAT powerful.

Idealism is geat... I'm not saying having them is bad. But see things from the perspective of the father and grand father... you're trying to protect those you love from the harsh insanity of the world. Would you sacrifice your children for an ideal? Or would you do the bad thing, save your family, and then teach your children as best as possible to be good people?

Pragmaticism tempers idealism. You need both. I'm not arguing for pragmaticism without idealism. I'm saying the one is temperered by the other.

I am 31 years old. I will likely be a father by 38. The millennials are growing up under sharply divided lines concerning issues of censorship, forced diversity, and false accusations of sexism/racism/bigotry. The liberal ideals that I grew up with are the new normal and today's progressivism is worrisome in that it is change for change's sake.

No wisdom, just full speed to the left. No looking back. That is what the RNC should be capitalizing on.

Most in the RNC are pretty liberal compared to 10/20/30/40 years ago. Most of the younger crowd accepts homosexuals and racial demographics of all types.