So how did voting independent fix the Trump "issue"?

actually it hurts everyone and it didnt but at least i voted for change

beats not voting at all

But what have you contributed in real concrete terms, to US politics

What actual change have you made?

dont need to do anything else because everything e;se starts with the vote

Lol

"I voted, and it didn't work, so I'm absolved of any action for the next 4 years"

@Beemann For the third party arguement I'll point to Brexit. It was the UKIP that wanted a ref. They didn't get anywhere near power but still got their one and onnly policy coz the main party was scared of losing.

Third party votes do matter.

For the third party argument I'll point to most Canadian provinces, where 2 parties fight for power and the third gets an opposition seat

2 left wing parties, generally

either way if you dont vote you dont have a right to complain about whos in office becasue you had a chance to change it with your vote

What was your % chance of putting Johnson or Stein in instead of Trump/Hillary?

slim to none but it doesnt matter beats not voting at all

@Beemann It's not about putting a thrid party in power, it's about sending a message to shift the convocation.

and not contributing to society with our most important right

https://newrepublic.com/article/146884/america-stuck-two-parties

It was none, and what did you shift the conversation to?

Who is talking about Stein or Johnson right now?

you are

i was just using as a example of how to contirbute to voting

my cousin wrote down harambe becuase he didnt like either canidates

but he still voted

That's not a vote

And nobody looks at those, they just get put in a pile

Ignored like non votes

At best you'll get some buzzfeed shit

better then sittting on your ass at home and not voting at all lol

You've failed to explain how

You've just held it as self evident

btw 30 thousand people voted that way

And it makes no difference that they did

It has almost the exact same effect as not voting

and you i have provided plenty you just dont want to hear becuase im guessing you are one of those people who doesnt vote

No, you've just said it's the only way to change things

And then when asked what you changed you backed up to "well at least I voted"

becuase who you vote for puts the changes in place

No, who gets the majority of votes does, and only if they're on the ballot

But you defended spoiled ballots, and losing votes, which don't do that

becuase you are still contributing to the voting process