Message from @Beemann
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Tbh the ancap argument is pretty simple, it's just not something people are going to agree with
yes, but i have never gotten a good answer on why the state would not form again
>is the use of government force ever justified?
>if no then ancap
The idea is that people ought to fight it
much in the same way why the marxist system wouldn't break down
and still no good way to get from here to there, without force
Marxist systems require inaction to fail, ancap systems require excess action to fail
things sound great on paper
"Systems" being shorthand
That's the biggest thing that keeps from fully advocating for an cap stuff
Basically in order to become. a government you have to fight basically everyone, in a communist society you can undermine the whole thing by altering like one of your daily actions to be self serving or at least not other-benefitting
You don't have to adopt ancapism to be in an ancap society. Like capitalism it encompasses micro alternatives
to be honest, its amazing we have functional society at all given how prone humans are to wanting to kill each-other
"functional"
If you wanted to form a commune willingly with your neighbours you could
like why does the constitution have any power at all? even a little? Its a piece of paper
literally hundreds of years old piece of paper
Yo mate
it doesn't, it's all roleplaying
That's my homie
Yah dig
Which is why it's weak as fuck rn
law is paper, money is not even paper anymore, its literally just numbers kept alive via power. Even crypto is the same.
What is property is made up
Property is just what your available level of force allows you to control
It's mutually beneficial to respect property
everything is hinges on the person next to you not killing you, and there real is no reason not to because humans are the biggest threat to you that you can deal with
if you don't agree with the definition of someones property in an ancap system, you get shot
If you invade their property, yes
it all hinges on people getting along, and humans hate one another
@Beemann what is their property? what they say it is or what i say it is?
Their property is what they've acquired through trade or force
i think they were onto something
i also think nothing lasts forever
Property still exists within communism, it's just that you, personally, aren't allowed to own it
so then if they declare my land is their land, i am now invading their property by nature of having been there
and they take it by force
Well then you have people contesting property
i dont get it, you say that if you violate property in ancap you get shot, but you also say it hinges on people getting along, i interpret it as a contradiction
does it matter if you get shot by the property owner or a statist cop?
so everything is their land until someone stops it