Message from @DrYuriMom

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2018-11-05 01:12:43 UTC  

I'm going back to the debate over the amendment itself

2018-11-05 01:13:19 UTC  

Like I said, I'll keep going even if I don't agree with that. It's a quibble.

2018-11-05 01:18:00 UTC  

If we're at war with a nation then anyone from that country is an enemy agent not subject to US law but rather the laws of war. Spies of countries we are at war with especially can be summarily shot.

2018-11-05 01:18:28 UTC  

So we can declare war on Honduras and Guatemala and everything changes. I said that waaayyy back.

2018-11-05 01:19:04 UTC  

Congress can declare war. Congress can ratify a treaty. These would be perfectly legal since it would change "jurisdiction".

2018-11-05 01:20:36 UTC  

The EEZ is not jurisdiction. It's international waters according to the law of the sea. We push that all the time when we do freedom of navigation exercises.

2018-11-05 01:21:17 UTC  

All the fun in the South China Seas is due to freedom of navigation exercises

2018-11-05 01:22:09 UTC  

In the Marianas they are not a state. It's up to congress to determine what constitutes American citizenship there.

2018-11-05 01:23:01 UTC  

Congress can certainly adjudicate citizenship in a place not a state

2018-11-05 01:23:18 UTC  

All this is at around 17:00

2018-11-05 01:24:14 UTC  

18:00 it's up to the US to say we can't conscript tourists. We could if we wanted to. I'm sure it wouldn't be popular internationally and would reek of impressment.

2018-11-05 01:25:04 UTC  

We could conscript illegals if we wanted to. We just don't want to. They are subject to our laws because they are here.

2018-11-05 01:25:25 UTC  

So up to 19:30 he hasn't convinced me at all

2018-11-05 01:26:40 UTC  

What makes you think we can conscript illegals? Pretty sure we can't do that to legal residents that aren't citizens.

2018-11-05 01:27:03 UTC  

They're in our borders and subject to our laws

2018-11-05 01:27:18 UTC  

We can conscript legal residents absolutely

2018-11-05 01:27:26 UTC  

Being subject to our laws and being able to be drafted isn't the same thing

2018-11-05 01:27:32 UTC  

If you have a green card you can be conscripted

2018-11-05 01:27:51 UTC  

The selective service doesn't include them but there's nothing stopping us from passing such a law

2018-11-05 01:28:12 UTC  

"Nothing stopping us from passing such a law"

2018-11-05 01:28:22 UTC  

Green cards serve in the military all the time

2018-11-05 01:29:07 UTC  

You also said legal residents. That by definition does not include illegals

2018-11-05 01:29:30 UTC  

So through 23:00 I'm not convinced of anything other than what I was saying before. Everything he has said, to me, supports what I'd been saying. Born in a state and subject to our laws - citizen.

2018-11-05 01:30:21 UTC  

But again, nothing stops us constitutionally from illegals serving in our military. And they are clearly subject to our laws by the fact that we prosecute them for crimes.

2018-11-05 01:30:43 UTC  

Only if we grant them immunity to our laws are they no longer under our jurisdiction.

2018-11-05 01:30:53 UTC  

Wtf "In addition, non-US citizen men between the ages of 18 and 25 (inclusive) living in the United States must register. This includes permanent residents, refugees, asylum seekers, and undocumented immigrants.[2]"

2018-11-05 01:30:59 UTC  

Off Wikipedia

2018-11-05 01:31:07 UTC  

😃

2018-11-05 01:32:03 UTC  

Like I said, they are subject to our laws.

2018-11-05 01:32:16 UTC  

They are in our jurisdiction.

2018-11-05 01:32:20 UTC  

Which amendment is currently being argued about with this birthright citizenship?

2018-11-05 01:32:27 UTC  

The 15th?

2018-11-05 01:32:28 UTC  

The 14th

2018-11-05 01:32:37 UTC  

The first sentence thereof

2018-11-05 01:32:53 UTC  

Okay, that's an after the fact justification though. The original arguments from the 14th exclude illegals

2018-11-05 01:33:00 UTC  

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

2018-11-05 01:33:09 UTC  

So the laws that come after that say that illegals are subject to stuff are unconstitutional

2018-11-05 01:33:25 UTC  

Actually, I disagree with the original intent.

2018-11-05 01:33:51 UTC  

Lol Wapo

2018-11-05 01:34:11 UTC  

The most conservative editorialist on their staff