But it leaks over to Syria and we get ISIS which creates a breeding ground for terrorists that then get funded by Gulf dollars

When their bullshit leaves their borders, that's when we have to care.

I blame wahabism

That's why we need to stop obscene amounts of money flowing in to the region

I generally agree, critter

The ISIS leakage into Syria was orchestrated because somebody wanted to route a pipeline to Europe around the Russosphere.

Devpav, the problem with partition is that the oil would have gone to the Shites in the south and the mid-country Sunnis would have had none

In the end, Iran was the inevitable winner when we took out Saddam

They can either sort out resource claims in a partition deal or they can just kill each other like Atkins said.

I really couldn't care less if everyone in the Middle East killed each other. The rest of humanity would only benefit.

But civil war results in what we have now. A breeding ground for terror which the gulf states then bankroll.

It's Islam that breeds the global terror, not civil war.

But civil war certainly provides a breed ground for it. A call to jihad and training camp.

ISIS

The call to jihad is in Islam itself.

But a flashpoint provides for it to become a Thing

If states or non-state actors engage in terrorism outside their borders, then we find them and destroy them. If they keep their conflicts inside their borders, we ignore them.

I agree, there's a sane zero-tolerance yet non-interventionist approach to Islamic terrorism.

For example, the war in Afghanistan should have been purely about killing the entire Taliban. No rebuilding. Just destruction of our enemies. No stopping at the Pakistan border if so required.

We always lose because of political constraints.

Trying to occupy these places is madness.

If we don't then new actors who hate us just come to fill the vacuum

Then we kill them too.

We are really, really, really good at killing people.

But we suck at changing cultures.

That just makes everyone hate us

Everyone already hates us.

We cannot stop them from hating us save exterminating them.

The alternative is to make them fear us more than they hate us.

And when they get nuclear weapons? Or ally with Russia or China?

They can't hate you when they're dead.

They will not ally with China or Russia. Both are smarter than us and recognize that there is no working with Islamists. China at the moment is in the process of putting their Muslim population in concentration camps ffs.

So you wipe out an entire population to kill the handful of haters? Because if you don't kill everyone, haters will keep developing as we bomb the Hell out of them.

And if they use nuclear weapons we exterminate them. Nuke them 'til they glow then shoot them in the dark.

China will ally with people they won;t invite into their country

Everything I have proposed is reactive. Defensive. If they stay within their borders we ignore them.

And please bear in mind that I have personally taken part in the nation-building/occupation bullshit. It doesn't work. Complete waste of blood and treasure.

Got a plan to prevent us from hating the entire Middle East, 10th? What should the Middle East do?

If you can find a copy I recommend reading "Why we hate you" in Dabiq 15th issue

Like I said. Stop sending them money.

We could do that tomorrow. Why do you think we don't?