But yeah the issue is that choices have been made repeatedly, both "there" and "here" that help out the extremist groups. Likely because they're the best for power plays

Even now, a lot of the groups being funded in Syria to fight ISIS are pretty hardcore socialists

🤦

Ask to the volunteers from the US and such that were helping them out, and they will tell you the same shit. But it's much easier to enact change if you fund the violent ideology

```'Why not convert them to Christianity?' lol.```
Yeah, never said it would be easy and I'd suspect that the "Convertrate" is somewhere between 1 and 20%, depending on where they from and what they really (want to) believe....

Less

Especially in the areas you'd want to target

You can at least get the good people away from Islam, wich is a start.
Problem is: You can't convert them in a group because of peer preassure they can't convert.

Leaving Islam often = being killed or ostracized

Yes, because we put too many of those in one place.

In order to even get Muslims to ponder Christianity you have to remove them from a social environment that will punish them severely for apostasy and maybe kill them.

"We put"
They own those regions

Just keep them away from everyone else. No need to attempt to convert them.

```In order to even get Muslims to ponder Christianity you have to remove them from a social environment that will punish them severely for apostasy and maybe kill them.```
Yes, I know that...
Wich is one of the Problems and also Why I said that its impossible to modernize Islam.

Apostasy from Islam is handled like treason because Islam is theocratic at its core.

The solution to the issue of the ME is to stop knocking out their leaders and, if we interfere at all, work toward long term religious reform

Yeah, like Gaddafi and Saddam, they were "the good guys" (well, more or less)

The people have already shown that there's a will to undermine tyranny

They weren't, but creating a power vacuum doesn't help society progress

Their “good guys” aren’t even that good which just shows how pointless it is.

You're basically just pressing the reset button and bombing cities back to the stone age

Instability breeds extremism

You can’t help people who can’t help themselves.

So, the point is to just let them be?

Mostly

```You can’t help people who can’t help themselves.```
True.

I think there's a duty of care re: damage already done

But beyond that basic level of support people need to stop fucking with the ME

```So, the point is to just let them be?```
No, quarantine them and keep them from spreading to the west and deport the ones we already have.

^

So let them be, in their own area.

Yes

Can't deport people with citizenship in one country

If they fix themselves that’s great and if they don’t at least they won’t be a problem for everyone else.

I think it was here, where Vocab Mallone talked about his Muslim Friend (somewhere towards the end):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUVkNBoNcf8

very tragic story 😦

@CreativeRealms In order to be civilice, a country must have its wild wild west first.

It’s basically a win-win. They want to be left alone so we leave them alone. What happens after that is their problem.

what if some of them want to leave and become westerners.

They can’t. They have to turn their countries western.

If they prove they ain't muslim, they might come (like Bibi Asia)