@Arch-Fiend I strongly encourage you to volunteer at a center for behavioral health, (especially the violent ones) to observe these pathologies first hand, I think you will be able to reform your world view, after that experience

because your position is untenable if you had actually observed some of those patients first hand

Its hard

Also proof of that

The apa has masculinity as a diagnoses for mental illness

No, when I say those with violent mental illnesses, I mean it

So therefore masculine people cant have a gun

Those aren't the type of mental illnesses I am referring too

I know man. I can trust you. Its someone else's judgement i dont trust

look sxtynien all im saying is all republicans are violent so they shouldent be allowed to have guns. its a mental illness and people who have mental illnesses are a threat to our society if they can access firearms

wait you dont agree with that?

There is no way you can verify that "all republicans" are violent

toxic feminity culture?

im talking about politics

So therefore masculine people cant have a gun

politics doesent care about ideology, politics cares about power

knowledge = power

I suggest you get some more of it

power for me not for thee

Im mea. If someone keeps showing violent tendecies, keep guns away from them. I think if a person hasnt committed a crime or shown great mental improvement in several years, then allow them to have guns

yes you think that, how about putting that power into the hands of someone who doesent think the way you do

More than 1 person can diagnose a mental illness.

But i agree with both of you

your not going to create a perfect system, id prefer a system im not completely safe from my fellow citizines than one where im not completely safe from the monopoly of violence

it the hope of every social architect that their system is less wrong than the one that came before it, there is nothing wrong with improving things

There might be.

There is this unhealthy obsession with wanting to make things last forever. It gets alot of people killed

Ruination and conflict are the best providers for change, not good will

if you veiw a policy as an improvement dispite critisism you have failed to adress being lobbed against it pointing out a huge exploit for abuse that your policy has then its not actually an improvement

In defense of sxtynien, a policy like that can be passed and nothing happens

Arch-Fiend, you clearly have no medical background, so therefore your criticisms are completely ignorant of the very real state of affairs, within the current system you defend

your criticisms are non sensical at the very least, and at their best very droll regurgitation of political idoms that you've collected over the course of your life

any policy can have no consaquince, when a policy has a potential exploitation it requires someone to actually exploit it in order for any consaquince. if no one does than it never has it but that does not mean theres no room for it to be done

Most every policy that exists in this country fits that criteria

To counter that sxtynien, you probably dont know what its like being poor and having no police to help you. Most felons and people who struggle with life fit this category

your appeal for authority is commendible but ill just point out how im not talking about medicine, im talking about politics. what your policy does is deal in the world of civil rights regardless of whom it applies it. i have to ask myself whom it can apply to and the problem with that question is that it can apply to anyone who is deemed medically mentally ill by the state, and no state has been innocent of reinterperating its exceptions to fit another definition than the one previously admited or simply bribing people it relys on to qualify people to fit under its definition to administer its policys to people illegitamently

Being poor and having police help are not mutually exclusive, I have dwelt in very impoverished areas of the country, which had even MORE of a police presence than the affluent ones

Yea but its still not usually enough.

In area where laws are hard to reach ppl need to look after their own backs

In defense of sxty, there can be a serious rise in mental illness in the u.s which would require gun restrictions

@Arch-Fiend the policies, were very simple, leaving little room for abuse. Violent Felons, and those with VERY SPECIFIC mental illnesses should be prevented from owning firearms, for the safety of themselves and those around them. Both of those demographics are statistically many times higher of using a gun incorrectly, thus increasing the risk. I am not suggesting that those with anxiety, or OCD, be prevented from owning a gun, those with the very specific DANGEROUS mental illnesses, that any psychologist or mental health professional can diagnose from a very detailed rubric of symptoms. Should several professionals in this field of study agree, then you would see a very small margin of error or window for potential abuse taking place. Unless there was some kind of totalitarian system and the Dr.s were forced to comply with the wishes of the State. That is not the system we have now and Dr.'s still have the freedom to diagnose their patients accurately