Without a mind what can you do

they must prove their value to society

why

they are nothing outside of that

even without conciousness and a mind i think humans are valuable

Yeah societal value matters too

This just sounds like daddy issues

with consciousness and a mind they are valuable

"prove their value to society" but you want to kill offenders, how are they supposed to prove anything?

without consciousness they are valuable too

Why does the state decide my value

as long as theyre alive

he prob believes they already disproved themselves as valuable

murderers have already proved they have no value

yep

murderers sure

can agree on that to an extent

Our system right now is based on the idea that if you serve your time in prison you have payed your debts to society

they have value as a human but they deserve death

You don't like that idea

What secret knowledge dose having a state role that makes you unbiased

regular criminals must follow the road to redemption post-flogging

what crimes are regular

your system right now is not ideal

super high reoffending rate

RIP to people who got the death penalty for crimes they didnt commit

@Pelth give a quallification or your argument is gay

flogging is harsh and too much for non-violent crimes

Lol as if flogging will make people like the system they are being physically punished under.

flogging isn't even in that harsh

60-70% reoffending within 5 years. and after 5 years they stop tracking them

people are too sensitive

Pelth is a gay

Unless they are kinky @alex.

punishment in your own society doesn't even work

"people are too sensitive"

loll

Then they would be likr

its not sensitivity

@Big_Al that would be awkward lol

it's just that it won't work