Message from @ping
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men were surveyed but did not respond in sufficent numbers
Over 1k males were considered?
i got confused, "the undergraduate women sampled at the two
universities"
i have a problem with the surveyed knowing the topic beforehand, that skewes the results in my eyes.
it sounds like they diddn't even sample undergraduate men
Scrool to 3.1.3 and look at the bottom of exhibit 3-1
Yes they did
wait wait what @I AM ERROR how the fuck are you supposed to make a survey without having a topic 🤔
- beforehand -
so like
you can't research your domain?
no
@I AM ERROR, you want them to ambush people with a rape survey?
@I AM ERROR, that would literally never get past IRB and for good reason
i think what he is attempting to say is that the people who did the survey were p-hacking (which i agree)
no
well the vauge questions, for one
you recruit them first, then give them info in what the survey is about and then have them take the survey...
they diddn't break them down
that's not really p-hacking
I don't think their questions are overly vague
well you can't know how much breaking them down affects the results because they diddn't do that
you are needlessly throwing away information
@I AM ERROR, i don't mind that methodology, but they still have to be able to leave the survey after finding out what it is
sure
@ping I haven't looked nearly closely enough to know what the effects of their filters were'
but they shouldn't be able to sign up BECAUSE of the topic
@I AM ERROR, agreed, that is a flaw in the survey. It's far from disqualifying, but its a problem
see, i can see flaws without working in the field myself 😉 if it's disqualifying... to me it is in this instance but that depends on the topic really...
@I AM ERROR, I never said you couldn't criticize the study. You can and should do that with all information presented to you
@I AM ERROR, you should be less certain of your critiques
Its hard to say what the effects of that were and its unfair to just disregard the study. Here is the thing. If you issue a survey at a college with 20k people
And get 2k responses
And 20% of them are affirmative
i'm never certain of any of my critiques because i never assume that i have all the needed information
Then you know for sure
that 20% of 2k people
reported sexual violence
('were raped seems strong)