Almost everything the right fights for as a whole are classical left views

I mean, you can say Tim's audience is conservative, sure

But when you consider you're a conservative actually agreeing with a center-lefty

That should kind of change your perspective on what's ACTUALLY happening here.

If nothing else, most of the people I've heard talk in here are libertarian/individualists.

Free speech is an entirely left view, censorship is a right view.. Yet the left censor everyone and the right want free speech

I'm still pretty moderate but I've been pushed to the right in the last year. In terms of the American Democrat-Republican sense.

Democrats and Republicans don't operate on the same political spectrum as their constituents

yeah

It's why there's so much disenfranchisement.

Someone should start the Leave-It-The-Fuck-Alone party.

put I have to participate in that system and I agree with the Republican party more because they stand for more normal American values

but

Kind of like the Rent Is Too Damn High party, but for libertarians

Left/right was stupid in my mind the moment I realised you couldn't be okay with gays as well as guns without having to drop one to go for the other.

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The libertarian party in the US is retarded though lol

Definitely.

did you see their debates

..Do I even want to know.

Closest thing to following the libertarian party I've done is seeing what rand paul's been doing.

yeah, funny though because both political parties are going through ideological changes rn

conservatism is changing

And the two party system was a mistake.

Maybe we'll be lucky and it'll dissolve after this.

i don't know about that

I doubt it'll happen. But I can dream.

imagine all of the gridlock with many parties

having to form coalitions like in Europe

that's not good

Maybe. Excess bureaucracy's kind of just one of those side effects nobody's really figured out how to fix in a system that tries to be clean but. Well the system in place right now definitely isn't anything remotely close to that.

Two party system but it's still in a near constant state of gridlock.

the failure of the libertarian party could also be a reflection of the fact that people might just inherently gravitate towards authority

We either need a serious third contender or a dissolution of political parties.

Hell

ergo giant bureaucracy

I'd settle for a second.

dissolution of political parties isn't realistic

I know it's not.

humans form groups

And a full unfiltered democracy would be nothing short of terrifying.