Message from @RyeNorth

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2018-05-07 06:00:36 UTC  

Stories of tiny ISPs trying to make ground getting shafted when they're basically legally crushed by the likes of comcast and verizon.

2018-05-07 06:00:36 UTC  

The market needs more freedom, not more restrictions.

2018-05-07 06:00:51 UTC  

Net Neutrality doesn't solve that.

2018-05-07 06:00:58 UTC  

indeed

2018-05-07 06:01:11 UTC  

net neutrality neuters competition

2018-05-07 06:01:16 UTC  

and innovation

2018-05-07 06:01:25 UTC  

I wouldn't go that far, necessarily

2018-05-07 06:01:37 UTC  

It's a distraction from what the real problems are, though.

2018-05-07 06:01:39 UTC  

the problem of small ISPs is high costs of entering the market

2018-05-07 06:01:52 UTC  

Disagree.

2018-05-07 06:02:03 UTC  

the infrastructure is very expensive, but competition could lessen those costs

2018-05-07 06:02:19 UTC  

There really isn't any competition though.

2018-05-07 06:02:25 UTC  

The infrastructure is impossible.

2018-05-07 06:02:26 UTC  

In a lot of places you see service from a single ISP.

2018-05-07 06:02:29 UTC  

also selective throttling is good in a variety of applications

2018-05-07 06:02:35 UTC  

I'm in one of those areas.

2018-05-07 06:02:38 UTC  

Next town over, it's another ISP but their spheres of influence don't intersect.

2018-05-07 06:02:42 UTC  

There's no choice.

2018-05-07 06:02:43 UTC  

I pay about 80 bucks to get bent over by my ISP

2018-05-07 06:02:44 UTC  

There's no competition.

2018-05-07 06:02:56 UTC  

5 mbps up, 10 down

2018-05-07 06:03:03 UTC  

I used to be on gigabit.

2018-05-07 06:03:05 UTC  

free market can create competition

2018-05-07 06:03:06 UTC  

And if you lose service for the better part of a week and they take their time dragging ass, there's nothing you can get outside of maybe a tiny bump in how much you pay that month.

2018-05-07 06:03:25 UTC  

Well that's just it. The shit from before net neutrality wasn't much better.

2018-05-07 06:03:41 UTC  

not an argument

2018-05-07 06:03:47 UTC  

Even Google, troubled company it may be

2018-05-07 06:03:47 UTC  

In fact if the constant stream of reports are anything to go by, ISPs have been lying about pretty much everything that was supposed to be beneficial for decades.

2018-05-07 06:03:55 UTC  

We were supposed to have 1:1 up/down speeds by 2000.

2018-05-07 06:04:00 UTC  

has had their bids shut down in some prospective markets

2018-05-07 06:04:05 UTC  

due to lobbying.

2018-05-07 06:04:16 UTC  

In order to set up infrastructure

2018-05-07 06:04:23 UTC  

You generally have to have a city's permission.

2018-05-07 06:04:40 UTC  

Lobbying by who? It didn't happen to be due to direct influence by comcast or at&t's lawyers did it?

2018-05-07 06:05:30 UTC  

I have a whole google doc of evidence against net neutrality

2018-05-07 06:06:46 UTC  

Ah, I see where you're coming from.

2018-05-07 06:06:47 UTC  

Question though.

2018-05-07 06:06:58 UTC  

By your definition, what is net neutrality.

2018-05-07 06:07:37 UTC  

Pretty sure it's the same as yours.