Message from @Techpriest

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2019-04-15 04:58:36 UTC  

And yes, of course?

2019-04-15 04:58:43 UTC  

I've never said you don't need an economy for an army

2019-04-15 04:58:46 UTC  

The CSA thoguht they were financially independent enough

2019-04-15 04:58:56 UTC  

They were hoping the European powers would intervene

2019-04-15 04:58:57 UTC  

on their behalf

2019-04-15 04:59:05 UTC  

"because them southerners cotton were worth it"

2019-04-15 04:59:36 UTC  

Yes, that is true, they believed it would occur, however British distaste for slavery as well as technological advancements meant this never happened

2019-04-15 04:59:44 UTC  

Wasn't even a distaste for slavery

2019-04-15 04:59:52 UTC  

it was the fact that British had access to Egyptian Cotton and Indian cotton

2019-04-15 04:59:58 UTC  

But that's another topic

2019-04-15 05:00:14 UTC  

The Confederate States simply lost was because they lost the Western Front.

2019-04-15 05:00:21 UTC  

It was a mixture. Minor military aid for another source of cotton would have been a sound investment for the British but yea it's another topic

2019-04-15 05:00:30 UTC  

Because despite that the east-confederate state are financially sound

2019-04-15 05:00:34 UTC  

a majority of western-confederate states were not

2019-04-15 05:00:42 UTC  

meanwhile in the north

2019-04-15 05:00:50 UTC  

the western and eastern northern states were all financially sound enough to wage a war

2019-04-15 05:01:01 UTC  

The Confederates lost because they didn't have the industrial capacity nor manpower to replenish losses, meanwhile the USA did

2019-04-15 05:01:11 UTC  

which was in the west

2019-04-15 05:01:18 UTC  

The Confederates and Union were stalemating at the Eastern Front

2019-04-15 05:01:26 UTC  

but the real decisive blow was at the Western Front

2019-04-15 05:01:34 UTC  

where Sherman's March to the Sea decisively ended the war.

2019-04-15 05:02:11 UTC  

It was everywhere to be fair, some were much better off but it would have failed either way. Even if only, say, the Eastern states only declared their own group of states, they'd still most likely have lost

2019-04-15 05:03:16 UTC  

i doubt it

2019-04-15 05:03:19 UTC  

This exact reason was, in fact, why Lee made his terrible choice as Gettysburg. He believed the only way to win the war was an absolutely crushing defeat against the Union and that no matter how many battles he "won" he'd always be losing as he could not replenish his men or supplies, hence his charge and subsequent annihilation

2019-04-15 05:03:22 UTC  

The Confederacy just needed the 4 border states

2019-04-15 05:03:29 UTC  

to join them

2019-04-15 05:03:30 UTC  

but they never did

2019-04-15 05:03:32 UTC  

Lincoln ensured that

2019-04-15 05:03:41 UTC  

"any fucker trying to secede will be hung for treason"

2019-04-15 05:03:47 UTC  

Even made West Virginia

2019-04-15 05:04:05 UTC  

There were more reasons than just Lincoln for the border states not succeeding

2019-04-15 05:04:12 UTC  

>than just lincoln

2019-04-15 05:04:14 UTC  

wtf

2019-04-15 05:04:21 UTC  

There were literally secession movements starting in the border states

2019-04-15 05:04:33 UTC  

had lincoln not announced he was gonna hang every seceders by the noose

2019-04-15 05:04:41 UTC  

Those border states would have divided

2019-04-15 05:04:45 UTC  

and we would have more than just west virginia

2019-04-15 05:04:49 UTC  

south kentucky north kentucky

2019-04-15 05:05:00 UTC  

All of these would have driven the American Civil War to a longer war

2019-04-15 05:05:25 UTC  

Yes but they were not as widely supported as in the South, it's that simple. Perhaps Lincoln put the nail in the coffin but his threats didn't exactly stop other states from succeeding

2019-04-15 05:05:45 UTC  

Because for those southern states they already hated lincoln to the gut