Message from @Yolo56Swagger

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2019-05-16 13:14:04 UTC  

Found it

2019-05-16 13:14:27 UTC  

Alright cool.

2019-05-16 13:14:39 UTC  

So now I know for a matter fact that he's overexaggerating

2019-05-16 13:16:20 UTC  

@The Lemon what do you think ?

2019-05-16 14:43:30 UTC  

Ok so reading the article it looks like a lot of what its talking about is globally

2019-05-16 14:44:21 UTC  

And when it estimates that not as many jobs will be automated away it looks like its talking about how in many less developed nations there will not be the resources to invest in the automation

2019-05-16 14:44:23 UTC  

Which is fair enough

2019-05-16 14:44:42 UTC  

However andrew yang is talking about American where there is the money to invest in technology

2019-05-16 14:44:46 UTC  

And the thing is

2019-05-16 14:45:08 UTC  

This study seems to be INCREDIBLY uncertain

2019-05-16 14:45:25 UTC  

It says that anywhere between 0% and 30% of jobs could be automated away

2019-05-16 14:46:05 UTC  

Their final number is that 14% of workers will need to switch to different fields of expertise

2019-05-16 14:46:43 UTC  

Now if you've ever studied science you'll know that that's an uncertainty of over 100% basically meaning that this is incredibly unreliable (assuming were taking the max fallout to be 30% and the min to be 0%)

2019-05-16 14:47:00 UTC  

I get lower uncertainty than that in my sixth form science experiments for my fucking A levels.

2019-05-16 14:47:30 UTC  

Now I'm not saying that discredits entirely what they're saying but that puts the numbers they suggest in to perspective

2019-05-16 14:47:35 UTC  

And there's another problem with this

2019-05-16 14:47:49 UTC  

They are saying that only 0-30% of jobs will be automated away

2019-05-16 14:47:59 UTC  

And the thing is Andrew has never claimed a number higher than this

2019-05-16 14:48:22 UTC  

The problem is what happens when 30% of people lose their jobs is catastrophic for the economy

2019-05-16 14:48:58 UTC  

Again look at places like, Detroit, Flint, Pennsylvania and any other area which used to have lots of manufacturing jobs which now left the areas

2019-05-16 14:49:01 UTC  

Oh hell

2019-05-16 14:49:01 UTC  

They're all run down

2019-05-16 14:49:07 UTC  

they all have economic problems

2019-05-16 14:49:18 UTC  

And that's no conincidence

2019-05-16 14:49:47 UTC  

Also this study goes off of the fact that potentially new jobs will be created in other sectors so "unemployment will not fall"

2019-05-16 14:49:51 UTC  

However this is never the case

2019-05-16 14:50:36 UTC  

It has been shown that re training programs designed with the intent to soften the blows of automation never have a success rate of over 15%

2019-05-16 14:51:17 UTC  

To put it in Yang's own words, "People who think we can re train miners and factory workers to become programmers and software developers" technically are neither

2019-05-16 14:51:19 UTC  

And its true

2019-05-16 14:51:41 UTC  

You have to look at the kinds of people who will be displaced by automation

2019-05-16 14:51:43 UTC  

Like truckers

2019-05-16 14:51:51 UTC  

The most common job in 29 states in the US

2019-05-16 14:52:01 UTC  

The average age is somewhere in the 40s

2019-05-16 14:52:08 UTC  

Most don't even have a highschool education

2019-05-16 14:52:22 UTC  

Its ridiculous to assume they will be able to go back to school to find a job in the evolving economy

2019-05-16 14:52:27 UTC  

And even if we assume that they could

2019-05-16 14:52:44 UTC  

What would give them the financial security to go back to school and re train themselves to get a better job?

2019-05-16 14:52:49 UTC  

$1000/month

2019-05-16 14:53:30 UTC  

In the study itself it says "To achieve good outcomes, policy makers and
business leaders will need to embrace automation’s
benefits and, at the same time, address the worker
transitions brought about by these technologies."

2019-05-16 14:53:37 UTC  

And that is exactly what Andrew is doing

2019-05-16 14:54:36 UTC  

He is putting forward policy which will allow the American public to reap the benefits of automation and which would allow people more freedom and financial security to do things like change jobs or move state