which on a scale of entire populations will include some people willing to take from others

thats not an assumption

thats reality

something something youn struggle to think out of the box

it is an assumption, otherwise how you can explain people wants to get rid of this logic?

i want to get rid of murder worldwide

is that practical

yes or no

yes

kk

done

it's beneficial

beneficial =/= practical

this is why our civilization evolved to these morals

since we benefit from societies without murderer

rome benefited from the murder and sacking of all of europe

how practical is it to promote murder on a scale of a society

western civilization benefited from the murder of germans

none wants to get murdered so it turns to be a mutual benefit

and it turns to be practical when we make it a consensus

your utopian fantasy is not practical and ive done a suffice job explaining why

no, you didn't. what you did until now is talking off topic

and jerking off intuitive responses without thinking

"this is human nature"

the most simplified answer in debates

why is it human nature? because I decided

because it feels natural to me

@chuckayy

"this is nature" arguments are the weakest type of arguments.

its nature because natural selection makes individuals value those genetically similar to them and the group of people nearest to them that have actual impact on their well-being / survival more than people that get more and more seperate from this inner circle

to the point that humans can and do become willing to steal and murder

wait, you're mixing now evolutionary theory to explain human nature? you must be kidding

first of all, there is no such a thing human nature. if there was such a thing then you live in a utopia

you think humans are seperate from evolution do you

this is not what I said

I said your attempt to bring evolution to explain "human's nature" isn't really scientific

if you say that human nature is X Y and Z then you have a premade system that will function perfectly and adapted to the so called "human's nature".

but in fact this is not the case

you can try to apply "democracy" in muslim cultures and you won't get the same "democracy" you have in western culture

you have so many factors

so your "human's nature" explanation turn to be so simplistic and weak