And often serves as a mouthpiece for Putin

So yeah, in itself, they are powerful. But not as Poutine

For now.

It may change, who knows?

Okay everyone lets stop talking about churches solving problems cause that's just stupid

Yup

Okay maybe this idea is subject to some change on the stealing part

It needs a more religious society

Do you honestly think that enough people have the goodwill to donate to churches?

Which brings to few problems...

Churches can only function ideally in a religious society.

Maybe only kill if they are armed when they steal

Liked armed robbery

Churches as they are, are incompatible with a secular and irreligious society.

And especially without a religious government in place.

Well how're you gonna turn a society religous?

Idk the stealing part is hard but the rape and murder is non negotonable

You can't force someone to do it

Rapists and murderers need to die

I doubt it will happen, unless something terrible and dire happened to turn people towards religion.

@Solid Snake Plissken andself defense?

And i'm saying that killing rapists and murderers is a dumb punishment

While there are a few atheists who turn towards religion, I certainly don't see them turning to religion in any large number.

If you wanna kill join the Army and kill bad guys like I did

Otgerwise you kill you should be killed

You rape you should be killed

Only the violence of the government is justified

All other is evil 😎

You just want an excuse to do one or the other and live

@bink dat's a very centrist opinion, since it's the current doctrine in every country

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Give me 1 reason why a convicted rapust should live

People don't join the army to fight for their own countrys goal

Ill wait

@Archatton i ain't a centrist, i'm just saying that the moral foundation of "government supported is good, all else is evil" is too weak to support a society

@Solid Snake Plissken Because killing them isn't a punishment. Making them rot in prison for the rest of their lives is

Armies exist to kill whoever the fuck mess with the state

Or themselves

there should be a greater and more clear moral foundation

@Stander or to fuck with other states

Exactly