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2019-10-23 16:36:03 UTC  

LOL worked for catalonians?

2019-10-23 16:36:08 UTC  

No it didn't

2019-10-23 16:36:12 UTC  

thats their form of socialism too

2019-10-23 16:36:14 UTC  

theres multiple forms

2019-10-23 16:36:15 UTC  

Like when the catalonians went on a killing spree and got mass executed during the Spanish civil war?

2019-10-23 16:36:23 UTC  

exactly

2019-10-23 16:36:35 UTC  

@Pelth being destroyed by outside forces isn’t the same as “the economic system didn’t work”

2019-10-23 16:36:44 UTC  

LOL how did it work? explain

2019-10-23 16:36:55 UTC  

Okay
Wait a sec

2019-10-23 16:37:10 UTC  

A good system is resistant to external threats

2019-10-23 16:37:14 UTC  

Obviously

2019-10-23 16:37:15 UTC  

Yep

2019-10-23 16:37:34 UTC  

Even in terms of economy a good economy is mobile to go in war economy even if socialist

2019-10-23 16:37:40 UTC  

to protect the nation

2019-10-23 16:38:43 UTC  

Send me the shit though

2019-10-23 16:38:45 UTC  

Im curious

2019-10-23 16:38:59 UTC  

In these stateless areas of the Spanish countryside in 1936, peasants organized themselves according to principles of communism, collectivism, or mutualism according to their preferences and local conditions. They formed thousands of collectives, especially in Aragon, Catalunya, and Valencia. Some abolished all money and private property; some organized quota systems to ensure that everyone’s needs were met. The diversity of forms they developed is a testament to the freedom they created themselves. Where once all these villages were mired in the same stifling context of feudalism and developing capitalism, within months of overthrowing government authority and coming together in village assemblies, they gave birth to hundreds of different systems, united by common values like solidarity and self-organization. And they developed these different forms by holding open assemblies and making decisions about their future in common.

2019-10-23 16:39:07 UTC  

Other collectives worked out their own systems of exchange. They issued local money in the form of vouchers, tokens, rationing booklets, certificates, and coupons which carried no interest and were not negotiable outside of the issuing collective. Communities that had suppressed money paid workers in coupons according to the size of the family — a “family wage” based on the needs of the family rather than the productivity of its working members. Abundant local goods like bread, wine, and olive oil were distributed freely, while other items “could be obtained by means of coupons at the communal depot. Surplus goods were exchanged with other anarchist towns and villages.”[20] There was much experimentation with new monetary systems. In Aragon, there were hundreds of different kinds of coupon and money systems, so the Aragon Federation of Peasant Collectives unanimously decided to replace local currencies with a standard ration booklet — though each collective retained the power to decide how goods would be distributed and the amount of coupons workers would receive.

2019-10-23 16:39:16 UTC  

At assemblies, collectives discussed problems and proposals. Many collectives elected administrative committees, generally consisting of half a dozen people, to manage affairs until the next meeting. The open assemblies:

allowed the inhabitants to know, to so understand, and to feel so mentally integrated in society, to so participate in the management of public affairs, in the responsibilities, that the recriminations, the tensions which always occur when the power of decision is entrusted to a few individuals... did not happen there. The assemblies were public, the objections, the proposals publicly discussed, everybody being free, as in the syndical assemblies, to participate in the discussions, to criticize, propose, etc. Democracy extended to the whole of social life. In most cases even the individualists [locals who had not joined the collective] could take part in the deliberations. They were given the same hearing as the collectivists.[21]

If not every village inhabitant was a member of the collective, there might be a municipal council in addition to the collective assembly, so that no one would be excluded from decision-making.

2019-10-23 16:39:29 UTC  

The work of the collectives was conducted by teams of workers, headed by a delegate chosen by each team. The land was divided into cultivated zones. Team delegates worked like the others. There were no special privileges. After the day’s work, delegates from all the work teams met on the job and made necessary technical arrangements for the next day’s work... The assembly made final decisions on all important questions and issued instructions to both the team delegates and the administrative commission.”[22]

2019-10-23 16:39:46 UTC  

XD

2019-10-23 16:39:50 UTC  

During the Spanish Civil War, workers in occupied factories coordinated an entire wartime economy. Anarchist organizations that had been instrumental in bringing about the revolution, namely the CNT labor union, often provided the foundations for the new society. Especially in the industrial city of Barcelona, the CNT lent the structure for running a worker-controlled economy — a task for which it had been preparing years in advance. Each factory organized itself with its own chosen technical and administrative workers; factories in the same industry in every locality organized into the Local Federation of their particular industry; all the Local Federations of a locality organized themselves into a Local Economic Council “in which all the centers of production and services were represented”; and the local Federations and Councils organized into parallel National Federations of Industry and National Economic Federations.[49]

2019-10-23 16:39:51 UTC  

give us specifics

2019-10-23 16:39:58 UTC  

dont mass copy and paste wikipedia

2019-10-23 16:39:58 UTC  

the last one is specifics

2019-10-23 16:40:03 UTC  

None of that was really implemented because they were all paramilitary units for the most part

2019-10-23 16:40:03 UTC  

its not wikipedia

2019-10-23 16:40:04 UTC  

No one has time to read all that

2019-10-23 16:40:08 UTC  

Or whatever shit that it

2019-10-23 16:40:10 UTC  

is*

2019-10-23 16:40:18 UTC  

its from a book on socialist economics

2019-10-23 16:40:22 UTC  

Send me like practical shit

2019-10-23 16:40:25 UTC  

i did

2019-10-23 16:40:28 UTC  

Thats bias thats just theory

2019-10-23 16:40:28 UTC  

the last paragraph

2019-10-23 16:40:36 UTC  

Send me actual historical practicability

2019-10-23 16:40:43 UTC  

During the Spanish Civil War, workers in occupied factories coordinated an entire wartime economy. Anarchist organizations that had been instrumental in bringing about the revolution, namely the CNT labor union, often provided the foundations for the new society. Especially in the industrial city of Barcelona, the CNT lent the structure for running a worker-controlled economy — a task for which it had been preparing years in advance. Each factory organized itself with its own chosen technical and administrative workers; factories in the same industry in every locality organized into the Local Federation of their particular industry; all the Local Federations of a locality organized themselves into a Local Economic Council “in which all the centers of production and services were represented”; and the local Federations and Councils organized into parallel National Federations of Industry and National Economic Federations.[49]

2019-10-23 16:40:43 UTC  

thats just a queer theorizing

2019-10-23 16:40:45 UTC  

that is

2019-10-23 16:40:56 UTC  

Thats gay af

2019-10-23 16:41:00 UTC  

syndicalism