and google backs NN

yet arnt part of the monopoly that NN effects

yeah, after they stopped expanding google fiber

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also nn is not the regulation that even touches upon that

the regulations that do touch upon that end up being down in state or local governments.

what regulations is it that facilitates monopoly in your mind?

much like car dealerships

also mind you, you have to pick regulations which dont prevent existing companys from having even more power to stomp out compatition

@Arch-Fiend you'll have to wait for me to get home before i dig up all the state and local ordinances that do just that

since i don't keep them saved 24/7

i think most of the regulations that stand in the way of people starting their own bussinesses to compete with the larger businesses are regulations that protect the consumer such as "to start a bussiness you need these expessive things otherwise alternitives would be putting the consumer at risk" which i think you could make an argument that insted we could go with buyer beware and require bussinesses to always explain to their consumers exactly how they are different from their competitors including "we use alternitives that the governemnt thinks is putting you at risk"

although the car dealership example is pretty easy, since i know laws that exist in some of the states around me that state it is illegal for a car manufacturer to sell directly to customers, they must go through a dealership that is not owned by them.

its why Tesla doesn't sell their cars in some states and had to jump through 18 hoops in another

@Arch-Fiend I can confirm that in the US ISPs/cable tv/phone provider services are highly regulated, often at the city or county level. Most often franchises to provide those services in a locality are limited to 2-3 companies at the most. As in only those 2-3 approved franchisess will be allowed to dig and install the wiring for those services. Sometimes they will allow other ISPs to piggy back off those providers though

But the local government is the one that approves those franchisees.

see personally any regulation beyond "minimum for the safty of the consumer and employee" i think should only apply as a gradiant for the ammount of an industry a bussiness is a part of. like the larger your bussiness and the larger a fraction of a service you provide to society the greater responcability you have in order to be ethical and thus in my mind regulations should apply stronger based on that

also dont agree with company buyouts either

https://www.wired.com/2013/07/we-need-to-stop-focusing-on-just-cable-companies-and-blame-local-government-for-dismal-broadband-competition/

THat is exactly what I was referring to Grenade. Local governments control that--the "local right of ways" that are needed to install that infrastructure.

you realize that if it was like half the price to put cables underground or on poles youd have double the cables? thats not an actual 1-1 comparison but still https://marinasjland.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/telephone_pole_crop.jpg

@Arch-Fiend but who even sets the price of putting those cables down?

who gives the rights to even do it?

though it would probably be better to regulate poles in a different less expensive way

dont you mean (((who)))?

jokes aside i cant tell if your asking a rhetorical or not

there is pretty much limitless ground you could put cables in (and you don't have nearly as much problems when bad weather is about) and after enough cables are run through it would probably have a big enough enough hole that you could put in a lot for just the cost of running the physical cable, not even need to dig.

sure, its not the cheapest option, but that isn't even an option

you dont have limitless ground

for cables?

the fact you see poles completely wraped in hundreds of cables is evidence you dont have limitless ground

actually no, the poles are just cheap

sure, and they are on everyones property weather they are using the service or not

just like pipes, just like roads

yeah, now imagine if the local government decided only 2 car companies got to drive on your local road. and for you to drive your own care it would be 20k now, and 1.8k a month

If you have an already established community (say a subdivision in the US), you have a limited area that you can dig those cables (typically the stretch of lawn/grass between the sidewalk and street. And if you have ever increasing numbers of companiies wanting to come in and dig to install additional cable lines then sooner or later those homeowners are going to get fed up with that

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Eventiually the next installer is going to "accidentally" cut another company's cable while they are in the process of installing their owb

@Chijohnaok as my previous point, imagine how many cables could fit in something like a city storm drain. Those big ones that people can easily stand in

that probably already happens

that is what i meant by "have enough companies"