Other elec vehicle companies are in the black, tesla keeps in the red. I think Elon is already started to pull out

maybe. but it just shows it's possible

even if it always doesn't work out

There are viable ways already, tesla just isn't one of them. Look at 'zero motorcycles' for example, they have sustainable businesses and even race bikes already, at a competitive price. Tesla is still too over priced for normal people to buy one

When people understand they can convert their 1992 corola to an electric vehicle for us$5k then what does tesla have to offer?

Buy a corvette and convert it cheaper than a pries

that's always been possible

that being said Tesla has helped advance the technology

and expensive to cheaper has always been their business model

Nazi's helped advance science, Tesla helps advance science, Elon Musk is a space Nazi for sure

I personally think mass electric cars are a pipe dream

ooooh are we playing 6th degree nazi separation

Electric cars are no more efficient, atm the power production is worse than just using a petroleum engine, when solar is advanced enough then the production of panels will be in parr as bad

yeah

electrics are 100% efficient

charging them isn't

and range is major issue

Lets use petroleum fuel to make electricity, have a power loss in the transfer, and then claim the car itself is efficient.

yup

stupid

charging via solar or wind or hell even nuclear power would be ideal

One of the first things I learned as an electrician is IR² (otherwise known as power losses or Copper loss). It is unavoidable and the more system the bigger the loss

you can always add more copper though

Second gripe - Lets dig a hole in the ground and make non biodegradable materials to make a car that is mildly better than the old car that is made from biodegradable minerals

but generally the batteries are close to motor

oh I agree

I think more should be done with hydrogen

personally

Battery to motor = low loss
Power to battery = excessive loss

still a power issue

well they just crank up the volts and lower the amps to reduce loss but yeah

Hydrogen is a logical choice, but no taxable

still an issue

hydrogen is the only renewable material that can replace petrol 1:1 basically

V=I/R means cranking up volts and lowering amps is a cover up, less 'copper' can be used, but it will deteriorate quicker and the same loss is still present, just in slightly different areas

vir isn't a power loss equation lop

lol

Lets lose 5 watts at each transformer to save 5 watts between transformers

Vir is a major part in understanding ir2

And no vir doesn't mean loss, but it undoubtedly means power is power no matter how you modify it, and ir² means each modification is a loss

Unless you have a zero resistance tranny that naturally runs at absolute zero temp, it's a loss