Anti vac is quite ridiculous tho

I was thinking, look what we achieved, well, this is what we needed.

i am for CLEAN and thoroughly third party safety tested vaccines and stuff after all w/o all the added toxic garbage perservatives and other adjuvents

yeah, you still would not be fully informed just by scanning over the list of ingrediets without a thoroough understanding about each and every one of them.... its just not worth the risk

net overall risk over benefit for much too high of risk

thats just my opinion..... you are free to make the final decision and choices for your own healthcare procedures

Well id say trust the science, but blind faith is harmful

We seen the far left and their "science"

i do trust the science.... thats the whole idea of my side too 😉 the science of the safety studies which only lead to further concerns

Which is a hard question to be very honest.

Mainly, I stand that everything should be transparent.

But that means everyone must be informed and not lazy

In essence we all believe something because someone told us so.

We read history books. Thats us being told by a historian who looked into the matter personally.

but there will always be uninformed and lazy people on the *administrative side* of these issues too..... ppl in govt bureaucracy act in self-interested ways too.... thats the problem. they can be just as uninfomed and irrational too.. that is why forced vaccination is too dangerous (and morally wrong)

And of course, there is harm in being withheld info from "for your own protection"

Also thats why Vac is a hard question

Im all of the people have a right.

But we can also see the results of not enough people being vaccinated.

For me the solution is to ensure all people are properly informed of the results. But that wont work if there is no trust.

im all for innovations and improving vaccination science and practice to be less risky/hazardous than it is currently

What are the risks of vaccinations as of now?

We do get some allergic reactions I guess.

sorry i dont want to get into that.... there are dozens of potential complications from neurological disorders to auto-immune diseases, mental retardation (of infants in pregnant mothers)... and of course to death

potential?

Or are they saying, it could, but has it?

there just needs to be more long-term, impartial, third party, peer reviews, non-manufacturor funded studies

the jury is still out. so the science is not settled in the meantime

It will take some time unfortuanately.

so best not be enact wreckless forced vaccination policies

THe science behind vaccines mean that the ones most "knowledgable" about it are the ones behind it.

remember the vax producers are self-interested too

I mean the complexity of the science behind it.

Exactly.

And so are the antivac as well.

they have an incentive to potentially be dishonest with you because of excessive profits they get from government doing the dirty work of pushing it out to the public and forcing them to pay for it

Thats why I said, people need to be more result oriented.

Intent does not matter to me as long as it brings about the results.

Why does it being profit oritented mean that vaccines are bad in the first place?

And that people need to be thaught of the results first.

Results could be altered to make it seems better than it originally is, or even removing the harmful side effects