Message from @Grenade123
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otherwise its just whatever you currently possess at the time/can defend
i.e., if you leave your house, its no longer YOUR house unless i agree that it is your house
unless you leave someone to enforce your claim to the house
and even if you don't leave your house, if i don't agree, i can come take it
try to atleast
but i get your point
well if you leave someone to enforce your claim, its technically THEIR house unless they agree to give it back once you return....or you oust them.
well, yes, technically
boy did that Russel some jimmies, because most of them agreed the foundation of most forms of government came out of necessity to set private property rules
so having to admit that you need to cooperate with your neighbors to define what is private property, lead way to having some kind of local government.
yeah, thats a thing ancaps conveniently forget,
Government is there to enforce peoples claim to their property
and what happens when when a bunch of local governments group up? you get a larger government
I mentioned this yesterdy in the debate channel when arguing with poptart about ancaps
Ancaps pretty much just want their own smaller government where they think they will be king
and so on, and so on, until i disproved their idea that government has no rightful claim to do what it is doing.
but those get swept away by a bigger collective
and then they tuned out, forgot what we just talked about, and said to new people "the government is not legitimate"
In an Ancap world,
Negan is king
i also argued that what they wanted was a return to tribalism.
which they tried to tell me no
the warlord with the biggest collective following him, will just crush any Ancap group, take their stuff, expand and conquer more
Until you have an Empire under their new Emperor (the warlord)
yep
"but community defense!" they cried
which, to an extent, and armed population is much harder to conquer
See how community defense works when the US military tramples through your front door
In an ancap world theres no "country" so its just small communities
but you still need a military to answer another military
Iraq stood a better defense against a country like America than an Ancap society ever will
just small communities, aka tribalism
yes
tribe-sized small communities
that was my next argument, that going back to tribalism, we will just progress back to here most likely.
so why not fix now
An armed population is far harder to conquer assuming you're not willing to go all razed earth on them
but its the same falacy
"If people just did what I want, things would work out"
In socialist utopia, everyone gladly works to the max, during all time
In Ancap utopia, everyone works and theres no hostilities between people
razed earth really doesn't do anyone any good
unless you are really afraid of them
or just spiteful
Or are just after the land
what is the point of land if you have destroyed all the resources
the uk government is falling appart
anyone else paying attention to that?