Message from @pratel

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2018-07-30 22:52:54 UTC  

No mercy.

2018-07-30 22:53:05 UTC  

That's when you go to court.

2018-07-30 22:53:16 UTC  

And you do it strategically.

2018-07-30 22:53:24 UTC  

You're not doing this in Berkely.

2018-07-30 22:53:44 UTC  

You do it at U Nebraska where the faculty are already on the defensive after that incident with the professor at the TPUSA table.

2018-07-30 22:53:59 UTC  

And the population is already right-leaning.

2018-07-30 22:54:35 UTC  

Hit one or two unis and keep making threats and it'll get attention.

2018-07-30 22:54:48 UTC  

And spread naturally. And as it does you build infrastructure.

2018-07-30 22:54:51 UTC  

Optics are going to be shit. It'll be all white males.

2018-07-30 22:55:20 UTC  

Who cares. Most left leaning protests are majority middle-class white females.

2018-07-30 22:55:42 UTC  

And you don't need to chain yourself to a tree. Just make enough noise to get attention and force the administration's hand.

2018-07-30 22:55:53 UTC  

And keep up pressure.

2018-07-30 22:56:08 UTC  

I mean, just inviting Christina Hoff Summers is usually enough.

2018-07-30 22:57:49 UTC  

Again, the majority of the action should be from the non-left base and external factors. Create funds with designated purposes and keep people informed on how it is working. Then shift to politicians.

You only need a couple visible figures.

2018-07-30 22:58:00 UTC  

And enough attention to maintain focus among the base.

2018-07-30 22:59:48 UTC  

Seems like one obstacle is communicating to moneyed conservatives why they need to fund these efforts instead of investing that money in something that's going to generate a return.

2018-07-30 23:00:13 UTC  

Because a lot of people are just going to read about this and tune out.

2018-07-30 23:00:24 UTC  

Oh yes. That's actually why I like the Kochs. He understands the importance of the culture war and doesn't just play "buy Republican ads" game.

2018-07-30 23:00:26 UTC  

They think it doesn't matter to society at large.

2018-07-30 23:00:43 UTC  

The real challenge is getting the Rightwing grassroots to care.

2018-07-30 23:01:09 UTC  

Think of the last time you found a far left and how many NGOs they had on their car. Every one of those bumper stickers was money directed for a cause.

2018-07-30 23:02:39 UTC  

There is an asymmetry in the left and the right. The Left will fight on any terrain they can find. The Right just thinks that if they whine like sheep and then elect someone like Trump they'll somehow win.

It might work for short stretches in electoral politics but fails in the long run.

2018-07-30 23:03:54 UTC  

There are actually moneyed conservatives interested in this already and they struggle to find footing. The Martin Center of Academic Renewal for example has plenty of money coming in from places.

2018-07-30 23:04:17 UTC  

But a couple million from donors to fund a couple people to complain is like everything--easy to ignore.

2018-07-30 23:04:27 UTC  

Maybe one factor is that the right thinks they can win a civil war.

2018-07-30 23:04:37 UTC  

Which they won't, BTW.

2018-07-30 23:04:49 UTC  

They might have the arms, but thy lack the organization and intelligence.

2018-07-30 23:05:08 UTC  

I'd rather have established structure and Google than a single firearm.

2018-07-30 23:05:22 UTC  

The right has a bad habit of being completely delusional.

2018-07-30 23:05:50 UTC  

I don't think anyone would win a civil war, and yes the right is pretty delusional when it comes to such discussions.

2018-07-30 23:05:54 UTC  

(Aside: this is my criticism of Nikki Haley's recent comment about not 'triggering the libs.' I notice alot of the vocal right wing academics I know would agree with me)

2018-07-30 23:05:56 UTC  

But they use it as a security blanket.

2018-07-30 23:06:00 UTC  

^

2018-07-30 23:06:09 UTC  

Along with naive assumptions on the free market.

2018-07-30 23:07:21 UTC  

It's like KiA. Everyone keeps saying how "get woke go broke" is going to kill the gaming publishers.

But The Escapist just got bought, Youtube is cracking down with the adpocalypse. Twitch isn't much better and there's not really easy-to-find alternatives to actually make the publishers go broke.

2018-07-30 23:07:52 UTC  

If KiA was a social justice outfit, they would have already crowdsourced and hired their own independent stack and "signal boosted" it whenever possible.

2018-07-30 23:08:42 UTC  

Instead, they'll just lose the new market and get replaced over time or get exhausted.

2018-07-30 23:10:20 UTC  

Feels like some of these differences in institutions stem from the differences in personality traits of their constituent members. Getting conservatives to work together on anything is like herding cats.

2018-07-30 23:10:33 UTC  

Can agree. But that's a problem on the left too.

2018-07-30 23:11:13 UTC  

Once a hierarchy is established it works great, but the dominance battles are fierce and destructive.

2018-07-30 23:11:13 UTC  

Conservatives tend to be of the "we'll find someone who will fix it for us" variety and Libertarians are to strongly "No You. Fuck You telling me what to do"