i think fascism has gotten such negative reviews that people don't understand that what it does bring is order and pride, two things which can be very healthy, like in patriotism and nationalism, but its when things become dictatorial or completely socialist that stuff starts fuckin up.

Absolutely not.

Don't conflate fascism with nationalism

That's part of the problem we're facing.

Nationalism is a component of fascism

but fascism is not a requirement of nationalism

No the problem we're facing is that idiots don't understand that words and beliefs can be neutral and its the people implementing them that can be bad.

Not a requirement, I guess, but it always plays a role in deeply Nationalist countries

```a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition``` That is the definition given.

Fascism requires the nationalization of industry and social standard.

Conformity.

What is described by Fascism is inherently authoritative.

But I don't think with how global and tech advanced the world has become that any nation could be as nationalist as they used to be. We just know too much and our youth and elderly will always believe different things

The solution to our situation is not to say that Fascism isn't so bad.

Because it is.

That's the equivalent of saying 'Not real communism.'.

By denying how bad these things actually, legitimately are

You open the door for them to come back into play.

I don't want to argue that Fascism doesn't inherently lend itself to authoritative rule and needless death

because I don't believe that for a damn second.

I'll argue until I'm blue in the face that what I'm after IS individualism above the collective.

Yeah I get that. But there is merit in someone trying to obtain equality. Doesnt mean it will happen. But theres also merit in someone being proud and distinctive about their heritage and nation.

Yes, but these things in and of themselves

are not communism and fascism.

Equality is a wonderful goal, provided you're not after the wrong kind.

They just make up the two. But people WILL conflate those individual ingredients to be fascist or commie

Thats the problem we have, not that actual communism or fascism is near, because they aren't.

If I pour water and flour in a bowl, have I made bread?

To someone ready to call it bread, yes.

Hence nazi

And this is why you defend words and ideas.

Why you defend definitions as they are understood by the masses

what they historically mean

instead of bowing to someone seeking to redefine them

to control language

```“Control language and you control thought; control thought and you control action; control action and you control the world.”```

It is extremely important that we begin to push back on language.

Because this leniency on definition is where we're losing.

We're allowing people who are not liberty-minded to call themselves liberal.

Yes, but you and I may also differ in our political goals. I understand and value the state and a very orderly, traditional and homogenous culture.

Well we're losing it in the same way we're winning it. Nazi will lose all meaning, and as it does the alt right will gain more subs like Tim says.