Message from @pratel

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2018-10-15 21:08:13 UTC  

yea šŸ…±s should secede

2018-10-15 22:16:35 UTC  

Yes this is old. But relevant.


ā€œ Sen. Warren turns her back on Native Americans after exploiting themā€ by Micheal Sainato on Observer

This article calls out Sen Warrens cynical exploitation of her claimed Native American heritage. When the Native Americans involved in the Dakota Access Pipeline begged her to get involved, she ignored them out of political convenience.

http://archive.today/1mUfB

2018-10-15 22:17:57 UTC  

Is anyone aware of any good articles on how professional progressive protest groups are funded?

2018-10-15 22:19:20 UTC  

I know of a few that are related. Why?

2018-10-15 22:19:56 UTC  

There was an image floating around that supposedly showed instructions Kavanaugh protesters were to follow when they got paid.

2018-10-15 22:20:55 UTC  

I'm having issues convincing someone that there is big money that is funneled down through multiple not-for-profits in order to keep these activities going.

2018-10-15 22:21:36 UTC  

I don't have anything on that. But look into Days of Rage. It documents how some non-profits were used to fund bombings in the late 60s and early 70s.

2018-10-15 22:21:57 UTC  

Thanks, I'll start with that.

2018-10-15 22:22:35 UTC  

That's actually something the document alleged. It was instructions for OpSec to prevent the relevant non-profits (the claim usually being that the non-profit involved was related to the OSF) from being named.

2018-10-15 22:23:15 UTC  

If you search around for Kavanaugh protesters being paid, you should find something, but not all information is reliable and it's hard to convince people of anything, even if you have the documents yourself.

2018-10-15 22:23:33 UTC  

Well, It's tricky

2018-10-15 22:23:43 UTC  

Because it wasn't outright denial

2018-10-15 22:25:03 UTC  

But an equivalency claim, as though there is even a remotely plausible comparison between Patriot Prayer and the endless "Centers for American X,Y,Z"

2018-10-15 22:25:49 UTC  

So, I don't know. Unlikely to be worth doing major research on this - unlikely to be convincing.

2018-10-15 22:26:06 UTC  

Very frustrating though.

2018-10-15 22:26:34 UTC  

Do look into Days of Rage. It's a fascinating read and worth the time.

2018-10-15 22:28:06 UTC  

The Centers for American X,Y, Z aren't quite the same as Patriot Prayer. They usually want to look like they are taking the high road whereas Patriot Prayer wants to look powerful and on-the-ground.

2018-10-15 22:28:43 UTC  

That said, there is definitely money being funneled into groups like BAMN from the various left-leaning centers, companies and advocacy organizations.

2018-10-15 22:29:01 UTC  

And BAMN is much more like Patriot Prayer than your Centers for X, Y, Z

2018-10-15 22:29:16 UTC  

Yeah, that makes sense. I was hoping for something that compares the financing rather than their strategies or objectives.

2018-10-15 22:29:47 UTC  

That's going to be hard to find. The most reliable thing is to acquire tax filings.

2018-10-15 22:29:50 UTC  

Patriot Prayer being more of an organic street protest movement.

2018-10-15 22:30:01 UTC  

But that could be challenging on it's own.

2018-10-15 22:30:19 UTC  

And most of the relevant organizations won't reveal funding ANTIFA or ANTIFA aligned groups.

2018-10-15 22:30:28 UTC  

Yeah.

2018-10-15 22:30:33 UTC  

They'll funnel it under other headlines to make it hard.

2018-10-15 22:30:43 UTC  

But there is money flowing all around and not all of it is hidden.

2018-10-15 22:30:59 UTC  

The leaders of the Women's March are all getting paid quite handsomely.

2018-10-15 22:31:10 UTC  

And you can see *some* of the endorsements and sponsors if you look.

2018-10-15 22:31:47 UTC  

Obama was a full time activist (like the leaders of the Womens' March) and lists some of the organizations him and his fellow political operatives would gain control of to funnel money into their activities.

2018-10-15 22:31:54 UTC  

It's really likely to be a dead end convincing wise.

2018-10-15 22:31:57 UTC  

The Ford Foundation is singled out in his book, for example.

2018-10-15 22:32:08 UTC  

You can make the case.

2018-10-15 22:32:22 UTC  

Remember you aren't necessarily trying to convince the other person immediately.

2018-10-15 22:32:41 UTC  

It's all about onlookers and pointing out the facts to someone so they can change their minds later.

2018-10-15 22:33:16 UTC  

Except if these are private conversations. But your point is well taken.

2018-10-15 22:33:57 UTC  

From what I can tell, Patriot Prayer lacks any real backing. ANTIFA sometimes has backing depending on the cell.

2018-10-15 22:34:17 UTC  

Most ANTIFA cells probably lack financial support.

2018-10-15 22:36:13 UTC  

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2018-10-15 22:37:09 UTC  

Why does only Breitbart report on this? If this is true, this could be the start of a lawsuit against Facebook for anti-competitive behavior.

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/10/12/facebook-blocks-links-to-free-speech-competitor-minds/