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2018-06-13 11:29:30 UTC  

What is good in Man's mind changes and is usuitable to be a useful stance of morals/ethics

2018-06-13 11:29:40 UTC  

^

2018-06-13 11:30:03 UTC  

Ethical behavior over all is when you multiply the good while avpiding the bad as it applies to everyone

2018-06-13 11:31:02 UTC  

Its suppose to be farily black and whit unless you use utilitarianism

2018-06-13 11:31:13 UTC  

But we've been told by God that our "Good" is but mere filthy rags

2018-06-13 11:31:38 UTC  

Which allows for less unsavory things to be done in pursuit of a larger good

2018-06-13 11:32:32 UTC  

what is ur point exactly? there's no one to enforce it, there's no one to prevent unethical behavior and that man can justify it trough the moral relativism that he was good and his group is now better off

2018-06-13 11:32:38 UTC  

while commiting some bad

2018-06-13 11:33:59 UTC  

That if taught uniformly it doesnt allow for moral relativism

2018-06-13 11:34:00 UTC  

moral subjectivism is unavoidable if u reject God. By rejecting him you reject the objective truth

2018-06-13 11:34:07 UTC  

Virtue is one of the most revered words in all languages. It is associated with character, good judgment, and ethical decision making. Moral virtue can be defined as “the habit of right desire” or the disposition to make right choices.1

2018-06-13 11:34:47 UTC  

you're essentially advocating for another dogma

2018-06-13 11:34:55 UTC  

>that if taugh uniformly

2018-06-13 11:35:56 UTC  

why bother replacing religion then

2018-06-13 11:36:08 UTC  

just leave it as it is, achieves the same thing

2018-06-13 11:36:13 UTC  

The ultimate good is happiness, according to Aristotle. All the other real goods we pursue are for the sake of happiness (or eudaimonia), which is the life that is most desirable (i.e., much more than contentment or joy commonly associated with the term happiness). We choose happiness not for anything other than itself. Aristotle believed further that happiness is the final good, the ultimate end of all desire achieved at the end of a complete life. Therefore, happiness cannot be experienced at a given moment; it can be achieved only through virtuous action (not thought alone).

2018-06-13 11:38:14 UTC  

Except it isnt a religion. Its a common ground sharable by all peoples without the baggage of enforcing a belief system on others while also appealing to atheist as it examines real people and their effects on on another.

2018-06-13 11:40:04 UTC  

You can teach it to religion and not contradict their beliefs and it escapes skepticism by athiests by being more scientific and not based on the imaginary at all.

2018-06-13 11:43:06 UTC  

>The other real goods we pursue are for the sake of happiness.

That is still advocating Moral Relativism. So if I go kill someone because it makes me happy it is therefore "good."

2018-06-13 11:43:41 UTC  

No that is tou twisting it

2018-06-13 11:43:49 UTC  

This is an ideal and not something that is grounded in reality.
Again, I'm telling you Aristotle was just a man with plenty of critique behind his back. God is an ultimate authority and such a pursuit can only be commanded by an ultimate authority.

2018-06-13 11:44:18 UTC  

You cant kill someone because that isnt a real good

2018-06-13 11:44:36 UTC  

Real goods being described as those things you meed to live

2018-06-13 11:45:00 UTC  

you can justify and rationalise it, because fuck it a man can be convinced that you did good by killing that man

2018-06-13 11:45:01 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451601956755210241/456423748678058007/Screenshot_20180613-044510.png

2018-06-13 11:45:23 UTC  

But if Moralism and Ethics are defined by man what makes murder bad? The animal kingdom kills their own children and they don't care.

2018-06-13 11:46:12 UTC  

Whether or not it was needed in order to preserve a real good

2018-06-13 11:47:09 UTC  

If they arent imeadiately threatening your real goods such an action is completely innappropriate and not supported at all

2018-06-13 11:48:26 UTC  

So you advocate for killing your own child of it threatens the "real good?"

What man thinks is "Good" is irrelevant to God. God is more concerned with Righteousness.

2018-06-13 11:48:53 UTC  

in ethics defined by man, murder can be justified

2018-06-13 11:49:00 UTC  

in front of a God it can't

2018-06-13 11:49:30 UTC  

If your child is threatening your health or shelter and the only way to stop them is via death it might be justified

2018-06-13 11:49:56 UTC  

But in that case it isnt murder its self defense and manslaughter

2018-06-13 11:50:03 UTC  

this is what I'm talking about

2018-06-13 11:50:21 UTC  

You kind of justified our point

2018-06-13 11:50:31 UTC  

>perfectly fine with child killing as long as they endager you in some way

2018-06-13 11:51:15 UTC  

Yes and no

2018-06-13 11:51:18 UTC  

Unless you are referring to capital punishment

2018-06-13 11:51:34 UTC  

Where the child has done grave wrong by the law

2018-06-13 11:51:53 UTC  

Killing because you want to is different than killing because you are forced to or die

2018-06-13 11:51:53 UTC  

you're still not allowed to judge him, only God is