Message from @Ehzek

Discord ID: 456419357191307267


2018-06-13 11:19:16 UTC  

If you claim atheism and reject ethics youre basically retarded

2018-06-13 11:19:38 UTC  

The first atheists taught them ffs

2018-06-13 11:19:47 UTC  

I'm not an atheist tho

2018-06-13 11:20:12 UTC  

however, God himself is the source of your morality

2018-06-13 11:20:20 UTC  

ethics is based on your morality

2018-06-13 11:20:35 UTC  

so tell me again how it doesn't have anything to do with religion?

2018-06-13 11:21:50 UTC  

Because you can explain it without ever mentioning relgion

2018-06-13 11:22:19 UTC  

then its a subjective thing

2018-06-13 11:22:20 UTC  

Religion uses ethics. Ethics doesnt use religion

2018-06-13 11:22:29 UTC  

and it has no authority to enforce it

2018-06-13 11:23:58 UTC  

Saying that ethics is based on personal view is a dangerous thing because it promotes Moral Relativism.

2018-06-13 11:24:39 UTC  

exactly, that's why its enshrined and protected by God

2018-06-13 11:24:52 UTC  

it becomes universal and objective truth

2018-06-13 11:25:34 UTC  

Ethical living is the pursuit of real goods by way of virtue

2018-06-13 11:26:17 UTC  

It applies to everyone and doesnt allow for moral relativism

2018-06-13 11:26:21 UTC  

u can attempt to explain it without religion but that will hold no meaning

2018-06-13 11:26:25 UTC  

But Human "good" is not God's version of good.

2018-06-13 11:26:54 UTC  

but what authority is there to enforce that if not God? the state?

2018-06-13 11:26:57 UTC  

It holds meaning just fine

2018-06-13 11:27:16 UTC  

the state becomes corrupt and is unwilling to further enforce it

2018-06-13 11:27:34 UTC  

The states job isnt to enforce it

2018-06-13 11:27:45 UTC  

This is beginning to tread into Humanism territory

2018-06-13 11:27:46 UTC  

who does?

2018-06-13 11:27:53 UTC  

The law is the minimum bar for ethical behavior

2018-06-13 11:28:15 UTC  

laws differ from culture to culture

2018-06-13 11:28:22 UTC  

and we're back to moral relativism

2018-06-13 11:28:50 UTC  

Sort of but not really

2018-06-13 11:29:13 UTC  

unless u think all cultures are equal

2018-06-13 11:29:30 UTC  

What is good in Man's mind changes and is usuitable to be a useful stance of morals/ethics

2018-06-13 11:29:40 UTC  

^

2018-06-13 11:30:03 UTC  

Ethical behavior over all is when you multiply the good while avpiding the bad as it applies to everyone

2018-06-13 11:31:02 UTC  

Its suppose to be farily black and whit unless you use utilitarianism

2018-06-13 11:31:13 UTC  

But we've been told by God that our "Good" is but mere filthy rags

2018-06-13 11:31:38 UTC  

Which allows for less unsavory things to be done in pursuit of a larger good

2018-06-13 11:32:32 UTC  

what is ur point exactly? there's no one to enforce it, there's no one to prevent unethical behavior and that man can justify it trough the moral relativism that he was good and his group is now better off

2018-06-13 11:32:38 UTC  

while commiting some bad

2018-06-13 11:33:59 UTC  

That if taught uniformly it doesnt allow for moral relativism

2018-06-13 11:34:00 UTC  

moral subjectivism is unavoidable if u reject God. By rejecting him you reject the objective truth

2018-06-13 11:34:07 UTC  

Virtue is one of the most revered words in all languages. It is associated with character, good judgment, and ethical decision making. Moral virtue can be defined as “the habit of right desire” or the disposition to make right choices.1

2018-06-13 11:34:47 UTC  

you're essentially advocating for another dogma

2018-06-13 11:34:55 UTC  

>that if taugh uniformly