Real goods being described as those things you meed to live

you can justify and rationalise it, because fuck it a man can be convinced that you did good by killing that man

But if Moralism and Ethics are defined by man what makes murder bad? The animal kingdom kills their own children and they don't care.

Whether or not it was needed in order to preserve a real good

If they arent imeadiately threatening your real goods such an action is completely innappropriate and not supported at all

So you advocate for killing your own child of it threatens the "real good?"

What man thinks is "Good" is irrelevant to God. God is more concerned with Righteousness.

in ethics defined by man, murder can be justified

in front of a God it can't

If your child is threatening your health or shelter and the only way to stop them is via death it might be justified

But in that case it isnt murder its self defense and manslaughter

this is what I'm talking about

You kind of justified our point

>perfectly fine with child killing as long as they endager you in some way

Yes and no

Unless you are referring to capital punishment

Where the child has done grave wrong by the law

Killing because you want to is different than killing because you are forced to or die

you're still not allowed to judge him, only God is

I mean u can put him in jail but not execute him

The spirit can only be Judged by God, but we can judge the actions of said person

agreed

Though we are told "by their fruits you shall know them" so we can usually figure out if someone is saved or not by just watching them act.

I think he was referring to abortion

The justification would only come from reflection of the situation you were in however.

Abortion is abhorrent in the eyes of God. The Bible states the God HATES hands quick to shed innocent blood.

You cant really justify stuff in the moment

According to ethics you could abort

Provided the complications threatened the mothers life

But all that is going into Utilitarianism

Human concept of ethics is irrelevant to God. You should only be following his law when it comes to moral code.

If he has a law he should enforce it

Otherwise ethics is the best we can do

Enforce his Moral Law? He already said that it is man's choice

I would doubt the moral code of any mother who decides to end the life of her child to save her own

^^^

The case we used in class was that the baby had a complication where it would not survive birth and it put the mother in serious danger

now do you see how far we have fallen? when abortion is made for economic reasons? how far the ethics of man can justify things

But abortion because youre a whore is generally not supported

the example you provided still doesn't justify murdering the child

if it has a chance then it does