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2018-06-27 02:07:00 UTC  

In it, it forbids murder, robbery, rape, kidnapping, lying, and so on

2018-06-27 02:07:16 UTC  

Which are mala en se

2018-06-27 02:07:30 UTC  

Things people have always regarded as wrong

2018-06-27 02:07:57 UTC  

So where did the Sumerians get the idea? WHY did people always regard them as wrong?

2018-06-27 02:08:11 UTC  

They got it from intelligence

2018-06-27 02:08:28 UTC  

Where did that intelligence come from?

2018-06-27 02:08:48 UTC  

Those thing have always been short term in their gains and far more detrimental

2018-06-27 02:09:01 UTC  

The intelligence came from learning

2018-06-27 02:09:35 UTC  

Learning how? Reading? So prior to the invention of writing, no morality could exist?

2018-06-27 02:09:40 UTC  

Even animals will not engage in many of those things alone

2018-06-27 02:09:46 UTC  

Oh yes they will

2018-06-27 02:10:08 UTC  

Animals rape, kill, eat each other, steal, a whole list of things

2018-06-27 02:10:10 UTC  

What animal only rapes?

2018-06-27 02:10:30 UTC  

What animals only kill with no need to eat?

2018-06-27 02:10:42 UTC  

Surplus killing is rare in animals

2018-06-27 02:10:57 UTC  

Ducks, geese, bottlenose dolphins, chimps, orangutans

2018-06-27 02:11:39 UTC  

Rape isnt common in animals nor is wanton murder

2018-06-27 02:11:50 UTC  

It bears too much risk

2018-06-27 02:12:00 UTC  

And therefore is wrong

2018-06-27 02:12:13 UTC  

Up to half of all matings of orangutans are rape

2018-06-27 02:12:22 UTC  

So if there's no risk, it's right?

2018-06-27 02:12:38 UTC  

Which is a small amount compared to the entire animal kingdom

2018-06-27 02:13:41 UTC  

Its only humans who have developed minds to understand vastly complex risks and benefits that true morals appeared

2018-06-27 02:14:25 UTC  

Risk and benefit doesn't weigh into it

2018-06-27 02:14:35 UTC  

There's very little risk in many immoral acts

2018-06-27 02:15:16 UTC  

There is very little benefit in those acts most likely

2018-06-27 02:15:23 UTC  

Such as lies

2018-06-27 02:15:38 UTC  

I can probably kill someone and take a lot of his shit and get away with it

2018-06-27 02:15:47 UTC  

47% chance of being convicted

2018-06-27 02:15:52 UTC  

But there is greater risk

2018-06-27 02:15:55 UTC  

That's less than half

2018-06-27 02:16:16 UTC  

And that also is taking into account that the vast majority of murderers are dumber than dog shit

2018-06-27 02:16:20 UTC  

If you lied to that same person there is 0 chance of being convicted

2018-06-27 02:17:24 UTC  

Of those same murderer though how many have gone to hell?

2018-06-27 02:17:57 UTC  

Most

2018-06-27 02:20:06 UTC  

The correct answer to that if I remember correctly is that only god could possibly know. Anything else is you assuming you know better than god.

2018-06-27 02:20:43 UTC  

Did God not say, thou shalt not murder?

2018-06-27 02:21:18 UTC  

How do you know that most of those people actually commited murder?

2018-06-27 02:21:38 UTC  

How do you know they were injustly charged?

2018-06-27 02:21:49 UTC  

Proof beyond a reasonable doubt, including their own confessions

2018-06-27 02:21:49 UTC  

It is only for god to know those things