Message from @joeyfogas

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2018-08-28 19:43:09 UTC  

african wars

2018-08-28 19:43:11 UTC  

In fact, they are often the prime target for ideologies because they have no beliefs of their own. They can be molded into the shape the party wishes for them to be shaped.

2018-08-28 19:43:11 UTC  

not ideologies where either side was a religious society

2018-08-28 19:43:30 UTC  

I am talking a secular society that went to war over land or power

2018-08-28 19:43:45 UTC  

World War II.

2018-08-28 19:43:57 UTC  

which side were the atheists?

2018-08-28 19:44:03 UTC  

A secular ideology going to war against other secular ideologies for power.

2018-08-28 19:44:04 UTC  

which society was the secular one?

2018-08-28 19:44:07 UTC  

The Soviet Union.

2018-08-28 19:44:18 UTC  

As well as the Nazi regime.

2018-08-28 19:44:36 UTC  

Godless men vs. Godless men.

2018-08-28 19:44:57 UTC  

yet.. hitler was christian

2018-08-28 19:45:18 UTC  

And Hitler only used religion for his purposes.

2018-08-28 19:45:27 UTC  

He wasn’t a devoutly religious person.

2018-08-28 19:45:38 UTC  

Nor were most of the Nazis.

2018-08-28 19:45:42 UTC  

so he wasn't secular at the same time

2018-08-28 19:45:49 UTC  

so your argument falls apart there

2018-08-28 19:45:51 UTC  

Their loyalty was to their ideology over their religious beliefs.

2018-08-28 19:46:02 UTC  

now you are placing levels of christianity on a person and assuming their faith level

2018-08-28 19:46:06 UTC  

No, it does not because Nazism was a secular ideology.

2018-08-28 19:46:13 UTC  

your agruments are based on nothing but assumptions now

2018-08-28 19:46:13 UTC  

i dont think nationalists would destroy something that is part of the country

2018-08-28 19:46:15 UTC  

like christianity

2018-08-28 19:46:42 UTC  

Joey, the Nazis were willing to alter the religion as they pleased and were even condemned by the Pope for their actions in 1932.

2018-08-28 19:47:05 UTC  

ok where are you pulling this information from?

2018-08-28 19:47:16 UTC  

because I am finding that nazi germany was 67% Protestant and 33% Catholic;

2018-08-28 19:47:19 UTC  

Pope Pius XI condemned Hitler and the Nazi regime for their actions.

2018-08-28 19:47:29 UTC  

Hitler was an atheist, just read mein kampf & his race ideology

2018-08-28 19:47:47 UTC  

Nazism is secular in nature.

2018-08-28 19:47:47 UTC  

that doesnt prove religion

2018-08-28 19:47:53 UTC  

even the bible says I can own and beat slaves

2018-08-28 19:47:59 UTC  

That is my point.

2018-08-28 19:48:09 UTC  

*The Old Testament.

2018-08-28 19:48:23 UTC  

and again we circle back to that for the 10th time

2018-08-28 19:48:32 UTC  

which is Why I no longer want to debate with you

2018-08-28 19:48:33 UTC  

Hitlee hated christians, jews & muslims. But he couldn't do anything for christians as that was majority back in the days

2018-08-28 19:48:37 UTC  

you keep circling

2018-08-28 19:48:52 UTC  

No, you went back to mentioning slaves.

2018-08-28 19:49:07 UTC  

Bible is one book why we ended slavery

2018-08-28 19:49:07 UTC  

I was responding to someone else

2018-08-28 19:49:32 UTC  

anyway... your argument that germany was a secular society is obviously wrong