A double could have also technically been possible.

But my point about Islam was simply it is a religion that if Christianity is to be real must be fake. Rags said it couldnt happen even if Jesus managed to be faked.

Well Islam technically is fake as it was just an instrument for mohammad. He got parts from all religions and pieced it together and a lot of things from Christianity. Now for Christianity there are 2 possible outcomes Either its fake too or it's real. If it's fake I can't fathom that so many people just become martyrs for something that wouldn't give them anything. In particular people that were in islam would get riches from each invasion and a lot of wifes but christians would live a poor life and their death was certain or to be exiled and their deaths wasn't fast ones too.

So I can't see it as a mean to distabilize the country as it didn't give anything to so many martyrs and believers to follow that faith.

Now for the second part that christianity is real

Islam also copied from noncanonical books like the Infancy Gospel of Thomas

We know that Jesus existed as a historical person and even historians support this and for this part only the future would unveil it as we still are waiting the last prophecies to become real . The only thing I can say for sure Jesus may be the unknown god that my ancestors believed in and was the unknown god before Paul visited Athens and saw the Altar.

Which is equivalent to adding Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter to a history book

And don't forget that christianity created three faiths, Catholism / Orthodoxian and Judaism that jews are believing in.

Christianity also did nothing to destabilize the empire. In fact it strengthened it

Orthodox/Catholism is kinda the same except for some differencies

yeah that I would say

the only thing destabilized the empire was the schizm of the two churches but that was just the tip of the iceberg in that time

if you get into account the byzantines murdering the latins etc

Christianity had strengthed the Empire into one belief as for the most part people would believe in different gods except the romeans/greeks as they had the same gods with just different names and some minor differences

I'm off to sleep, cya guys

It did cause some trouble, but I was arguing that its intention was to destabilize. I never said it was successful. For example there was an emphasis on peace in Christianity and Rome was known to be a military powerhouse. Maybe it was meant to weaken the will to fight.

In any case it will be proven true if Jesus comes back

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Your arguments are all baseless and contradictory to each other

who?

Ehzek

First it's that Christianity was invented for world peace. Then it's control. Then it's to destabilize the empire

No Christian ever expected Constantine

It would be like thinking Hitler's successor is gonna be Jewish

Rome's lack of Christianity is what destabilized the empire.

It wasn't until the fourth century that Rome lost any territory

The economy and the decline of the army did the most damage

Note that even early Christianity did not prohibit soldiering. When John spoke to the soldiers, he didn't command them to be pacifists, he said to be content with your wages

Do not extort money from people

And to the tax collectors, do not tax more than you should

If it's all a scam, there would be so many better ways to do it

Its conjecture and theory not hard fact. I didnt say it was a scam I said it could be fake. I said that the goals of christianity could be ones anyone could have.

Hell if you are going to argue that it stabilized the empire maybe that was the whole point. To pacify and stabilize.

My point is christianity isnt some insane religion no one could ever come up with. It could have been made by humans. The only real reason you refuse this is because you believe humans are incapable of good without god and you see the religion as proof of that. At least thats the way I see it.

Agian if Jesus comes back youre right Im wrong.

But if he doesnt ever "it just isnt time yet" and Im still wrong in your eyes.

So that's your fourth excuse about the foundation of Christianity

To control, to bring peace, to stabilize, and to destabilize

And no it's not the moral question that makes me believe.