Lethal force won’t be necessary. Not unless they get violent when we turn them back. In that case it would literally be an invading force. That’s not going to happen though.

Why wouldn't they get violent?

@CreativeRealms self preservation. I’m totally fine with responding to violence with violence. I think most Americans are.

Imagine how easy it would be to sway public opinion on building a literal wall and putting soldiers on it if they got violent. I almost hope they do. That would be a win for my side instantly.

There isn't a big buffer zone so it could be a gamble. I also highly doubt that they'd wait by the border to get checked when they get here which is the only way force wouldn't need to be used.

I imagine people like Tim would oppose any kind of lethal force even if they end up being violent. Might split the moderates.

So any thug willing to use violence to get in shouldn’t be blocked? I doubt many people will agree with that. In fact I’m positive those are exactly the people we need to keep out. Many will agree.

They are mixing in with non violent people and there are too many to sort through.

I'm sure people agree they should be kept out but they might not want to use lethal force even if they are being violent.

https://twitter.com/i/moments/1053362115514376192

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-spent-the-past-week-repeatedly-emphasizing-jamal-khashoggi-once-supported-the-muslim-brotherhood?ref=scroll

gonna put this here

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6295861/Caravan-thousands-Honduran-migrants-TURN-Mexican-border-Guatemala.html

I know we're discussing in general but this is crazy

We are discussing here too so it's ok.

We were trying to figure out if Tim would support lethal force or not. I assume he wouldn't even if it means they get through.

lethal force?

no

but im sure they woulnd't want to cross with the military pointing guns at them

probably tear gas or water cannons at most

I'm okay with a country using lethal force to defend their borders from a clear threat such as this

Look at Israel. They use lethal force and they still try to break in.

rubber bullets

isreal is shooting them at palestinians side.

I wouldn't say that just because you point guns they'll stop.

the US can absoltely not set this as a valid precedent

You have to protect your borders with lethal force if necessary

You don't need to shoot all of them, but if they violently and illegally enter your country, you have the obligation to protect your country.

You start with minimum force and escalate it until they stop invading.

The men are fair game. Female privilege.

ie start with the Waterthrower -> Tear Gas -> Rubber Bullets -> Taser -> Lethal force.

There is also some kind of microwave weapon. Wonder if that would be deployed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmuyLIrSjxI

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/18/health/internet-memes-obesity-intl/index.html

have we discussed this yet

I think artillery flares would be a very helpful tool.

Have some guys with thermal binos scanning the terrain and if they see anyone coming close call in an illumination mission over them and scare the living bejesus out of them.

I sort of think that won't do much.

Lets them know you have them zeroed

They probably assume they are in general when they are by the border.

You don't walk that far to get scared by some flares.