Honestly I believe they should be kept out by force if necessary. They're an aggressive force who aren't following correct procedure. If they just applied and shit, wouldn't be a problem; it's the implication that they're gonna forcibly cross and just march on in

Ahhh so the force I propose is any worse than yours?

And before anyone accuses me of anything, my girlfriend's family are US migrants from the Dominican Republic, and my family migrated from Ireland to England

What are you talking about?

There are thousands of people trying to forcibly cross a border. This is illegal and a hostile manoeuvre

They are in the wrong

No matter how bad their situation is, they're taking a risk because their behaviour is illegal

If they applied and used the correct channels there would be no risk

So force is justified ...?

Yes, since thousands of people are attempting to invade the US

In this context it is fine for the US to defend themselves

REASONABLE force, mind, I don't expect orbital strikes

But these guys invading the US would set a really worrying precedent

The point is that force should not be the default. Ofc it can be justified but you catch more flies with honey than shit.

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Lots of them are applying for asylum status in Mexico, which is reasonable, but the caravan is very problematic

GDP per capita of Puerto Rico is $30,833.37. GDP per capita of Honduras is $2,480.13. Re-colonization would better for them and could be be better to stop all the immigration.

Guatemala GDP per capita 4,470.99 not much better ...

Mexico GDP per capita 8,902.83 still better but far worse then other US territories...

How about we *don't* colonize shitholes and throw my tax dollars down an bottomless abyss.

Build wall, put illegals on the other side of it.

Let them sort out their own fucking problems.

I can't argue against that but it is not what they want. You're arguing that it's the white mans burden to be care taker of the world. Do you hold the same value over the thousands of homeless junkies in the cities?

The argument is, you won't survive on the same boat called earth, when 70% of the people are rocking the boat to its destruction. Walling off the back section won't work ... you will be forced one day to engage and fix it or die with them.

Yes, but not by force. You are well within your right to defend what is yours but you can't decide that you know better and try to enforce that across the globe.

You can't impose civilisation on people, they have to want it.

stop aiding africa and they will starve to death. easy poplulation control.

China will pick up the slack there. I'm in two minds about that.

Whoa there Jasse, don't agree

It's just by forcing a way of life onto people they naturally reject it

E.g. us, with SJW culture

Are you not riding on the boat with blinders on hoping the issue goes away?

Engage or die ... yes with appropriate force ...

TPS, no. I'm looking long term. It really isn't as bad as you might think. The world has never been more peaceful or rich and it's only getting better.

Yes, the world is better. Poverty is not the issue. It is GINI difference that will create envy politics and migration.

Build wall, put illegals on the other side of it. Save my tax money for space exploration instead of feeding and housing billions of useless illiterate third-world scumbags.

We are back to force now.

just block them with force. and they will stop coming when they realize they cant get in.

This is you right now.

These people are not my responsibility.

I am not paying for these assholes.