if id live even remotely near anywhere antifa is spotted id just hang up

I imagine that a small percentage of people also poll for their opposite just to encourage voter turnout.

That would be a zero sum game though. It works for both sides.

True

Or maybe they are undecided and then they see the news and vote red

Unverified. But some calls might be able to confirm or deny some of the details. @Timcast
https://twitter.com/getongab/status/1057660900348518400

It should be noted, it would be very hard to assign blame or anything in this case and it doesn't seem to be getting much attention.

And let's be honest. It could be a false flag.

I doubt it's a false flag intended to stir something up. But it could be any number of things.

If it didn't seem plausible to me, I wouldn't have posted it here.

It could be legitimate.

But it could also be a ploy to gain sympathy and strengthen his position.

I wouldn't jump to the conclusion it is, say, a Democrat or ANTIFA. But I doubt that Torba himself opened the propane tanks and lit the burner.

It might be an accident (just about the only not-sabotage hypothesis that might exist if the fire department confirms the story).

That said, given current events, I would assume *someone* did it. For what reason, we don't know.

Why do you doubt Torba did it himself?

Why would he do it to his own parents?

And there's better ways to do it.

As I said, to gain sympathy and strengthen his position by slandering his ideological opponents.

And why make it so ambiguous.

If he wanted to frame someone, he'd leave marks to make it obvious who he was attacking.

I would expect if he was trying to do some kind of false flag it would be public, obvious and to his own stuff.

His parents have been getting harassed for some time. A number of people (mostly on the left) decided they could go after family a while ago.

Is an attack on his parents more despicable, thus garnering more sympathy?

I think you're being way too conspiratorial.

I'm being conspiratorial by recognizing the possibility?

Also, the neighbor calling it in can probably be confirmed. Why would you take that risk of it *not* being discovered by a neighbor if you were doing a false flag.

No, I think you're being conspiratorial by pushing it so hard.

Nothing about this says "false flag" to me.

Pushing it? What do you want me to say, it *couldn't* be true?

I will stand by my position that it is a possibility.

I'm giving reasons I don't think it's a false flag. You keep insisting that it could be without giving any argument otherwise besides "he might gain sympathy"

You haven't shifted possibilities either.

Yes, becoming a victim of violence is a political tactic, it's well known and false flags are a common way of gaining the position for years now.

Of all the theories as to what happened, a false flag seems the least plausible.

That's completely untrue and you know it.

But there's been so much violence and so much of it is *not* a false flag.

Not an argument.

Yes, there has been actual violence. And there has also been false flags.

What do you believe are hallmarks of a false flag operation?

But the really big things, the really damaging things haven't been.

Well, obvious and public for one.

What indicators make you think "Yep, that's a false flag"?