Message from @Kriegfox

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2019-01-11 00:06:19 UTC  

right, as long as you are communist

2019-01-11 00:06:36 UTC  

You can't tell me the communists are maintaining power because the people enjoy it

2019-01-11 00:07:11 UTC  

Or Revolutionary Committee of the Kuomintang

2019-01-11 00:08:02 UTC  

China Democratic League, China Association for Promoting Democracy, Taiwan Democratic Self Government League, and more

2019-01-11 00:08:08 UTC  

All legal parties on the mainland

2019-01-11 00:08:25 UTC  

legal doesn't mean they have any real power

2019-01-11 00:08:42 UTC  

if they had any real power china wouldn't remain communist

2019-01-11 00:09:33 UTC  

there were other parties in nazi germany, didn't see any of them actually do anything useful

2019-01-11 00:09:53 UTC  

Nazi Germany actually banned all other parties

2019-01-11 00:10:06 UTC  

All of those parties hold seats in government

2019-01-11 00:10:29 UTC  

And believe me those people do not want to topple their government

2019-01-11 00:11:04 UTC  

Now I'm not saying it's an actual free country or anything

2019-01-11 00:11:10 UTC  

I'm arguing as if it is, for a reason

2019-01-11 00:12:03 UTC  

Problems in the 60s/70s aside. It's very safe. Most people are educated, employed, and well-fed.

2019-01-11 00:12:45 UTC  

except for the political and religious dissidents being shipped off

2019-01-11 00:13:35 UTC  

Political dissidents, meaning Muslims who make jihadist statements

2019-01-11 00:15:08 UTC  

Do you know for sure those are the only ones being carted away?

2019-01-11 00:15:36 UTC  

Here I'll give you some background

2019-01-11 00:15:48 UTC  

Since I don't think we have actually talked here before

2019-01-11 00:16:12 UTC  

I'm a cop in America. Army vet. Still young.

2019-01-11 00:16:15 UTC  

We live in a nation where 7 years ago, the government signed into law the ability to indefinately detain american citizens just based on "suspicion" of terrorism or anything else to make uncle sam look at you funny. Granted it wasn't in law long, but it did happen

2019-01-11 00:16:57 UTC  

My wife is from China. Her father was a colonel in the police. Her mom is a school principal.

2019-01-11 00:17:18 UTC  

Uncles, grandpas etc all soldiers. One cousin is a traffic cop I think.

2019-01-11 00:18:00 UTC  

There is no draft. Anyone who ever said so, is lying. Every soldier is a volunteer and it's fairly competitive to get recruited.

2019-01-11 00:18:32 UTC  

They're all proud of their country, fiercely patriotic, very loyal

2019-01-11 00:18:54 UTC  

I'm the first white man to sit down at their table, get drunk, and talk politics

2019-01-11 00:19:05 UTC  

Everyone else was drunk too

2019-01-11 00:20:43 UTC  

So yeah I basically dissed Mao, the party, communism etc in front of actual party members and regional leaders

2019-01-11 00:21:34 UTC  

Pretty much their response was "yeah that era sucked but things have gotten a lot better"

2019-01-11 00:21:50 UTC  

interesting

2019-01-11 00:22:02 UTC  

People are people man

2019-01-11 00:22:40 UTC  

They're not really religious. Some of the cousins visit Buddhist temples on certain days but it's more cultural

2019-01-11 00:23:21 UTC  

My wife however is Catholic and was an active member of the choir of one of the biggest Catholic churches in the world, right there in China

2019-01-11 00:23:37 UTC  

They gave a concert for some Western VIP but I forgot who

2019-01-11 00:24:55 UTC  

Anyway that was a long winded explanation. Point being, for all intents and purposes they are living in a pretty normal and happy society like we are

2019-01-11 00:25:06 UTC  

Some differences and "inconveniences"

2019-01-11 00:26:45 UTC  

We can say we are better because we have free elections and all that, anyone can become president...but is it really true?

2019-01-11 00:27:07 UTC  

Is our democratic process much different than a repressive communist dictatorship?

2019-01-11 00:28:28 UTC  

While it is perverted, It certainly is supposed to be vastly different

2019-01-11 00:32:31 UTC  

Sure, but in reality, it's not

2019-01-11 00:33:07 UTC  

We chose to settle here because I like land, guns, stuff like that