Message from @Little Boots

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2018-09-08 17:16:38 UTC  

The Republic or Venice is a city-state.

2018-09-08 17:16:52 UTC  

1347, Poland abolished slavery. Period.

2018-09-08 17:17:06 UTC  

Do you know what a city state is?

2018-09-08 17:17:13 UTC  

Singapore is a city state

2018-09-08 17:17:27 UTC  

A sovereign nation synonymous with a city

2018-09-08 17:19:19 UTC  

And, even then, Venice was a hub for the Medieval Slave trade.

2018-09-08 17:20:48 UTC  

Yet still banned by an elected leader and an elected assembly. Therefore the consensus must have been that it was wrong

2018-09-08 17:21:01 UTC  

Also, Poland practiced serfdom, which, if you didn’t know, is also considered a form of slavery.

2018-09-08 17:21:26 UTC  

I'd bet the same feeling was present in medieval China, medieval Japan, etc when they also abolished slavery

2018-09-08 17:21:33 UTC  

Serfdom is not slavery

2018-09-08 17:22:15 UTC  

The societies that “banned” slavery in the medieval era were feudal societies that essentially had their own form of slavery being conducted in the form of permanently tying the peasantry to the fields for life, giving them little to no chance to actually do anything outside of being a serf.

2018-09-08 17:22:53 UTC  

After all, why import cheap labor when you have plenty of it right now in the form of serfs.

2018-09-08 17:23:03 UTC  

Also note that Finland, Norway, and Sweden did not have serfdom

2018-09-08 17:24:26 UTC  

Norway, Sweden, and Finland were far removed from the slave trade because they had no economic incentive to have it. Even then, their entire formation as nations is based entirely on the slave trade.

2018-09-08 17:25:01 UTC  

Hell, they even gave us the word “slave” by capturing so many Slavs and selling them that the words became synonymous with one another.

2018-09-08 17:25:28 UTC  

Sweden banned 1335

2018-09-08 17:25:31 UTC  

However, they didn’t practice it much themselves because they had no need for it.

2018-09-08 17:26:31 UTC  

Denmark/Norway banned 1803

2018-09-08 17:26:38 UTC  

Also, no. Sweden did not abolish slavery entirely until 1847.

2018-09-08 17:26:59 UTC  

The trend being obvious, slavery was considered abhorrent even before the grandparents of the Confederacy were born

2018-09-08 17:27:05 UTC  

And, in fact, they engaged in the slave trade throughout the 1700’s.

2018-09-08 17:27:15 UTC  

Hence slavery being banned in several states in the early years

2018-09-08 17:27:27 UTC  

The trend was only becoming obvious until the 1830’s.

2018-09-08 17:28:00 UTC  

When the United Kingdom outright banned the institution entirely within its dominion.

2018-09-08 17:29:19 UTC  

Even then, many areas took decades and upwards of half a century to end it because, you know, *you don’t end a long-standing institution with the snap of a finger and expect everything to go by perfectly alright.*

2018-09-08 17:30:19 UTC  

1777, Vermont.
1787, Northwest Territory of Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin.

2018-09-08 17:30:59 UTC  

Regions that weren’t agricultural regions to begin with.

2018-09-08 17:31:22 UTC  

Maine joined the US as a free state in 1820

2018-09-08 17:31:51 UTC  

Yeah, in compensation for Missouri being a slave state.

2018-09-08 17:32:02 UTC  

First, it doesn't matter if they are agricultural. That does not make slavery moral. Second, you've probably never been to the north but there's a shitload of farms there. A couple hundred years ago there was a shitload more farms

2018-09-08 17:32:16 UTC  

First, it does matter if they are agriculturally

2018-09-08 17:32:32 UTC  

Agricultural regions tend to have an actual reason to have slavery exist.

2018-09-08 17:33:16 UTC  

Harvesting crops is labor-intensive, requiring hundreds of men to perform a task when compared to something like factory work.

2018-09-08 17:33:36 UTC  

Pennsylvania, 1780.
Massachusetts and New Hampshire, 1783.
Connecticut and Rhode Island, 1784.
New York, 1799.
New Jersey, 1804

2018-09-08 17:33:47 UTC  

The North has been more industrial than the south *because* they have less farmland.

2018-09-08 17:34:13 UTC  

Less of their land is arable when compared to the South

2018-09-08 17:34:13 UTC  

Hmm which is why the majority of the south didn't own slaves...makes perfect sense

2018-09-08 17:34:37 UTC  

Farming is labor intensive, so we need slaves, but most of us aren't actually gonna have any...hmm...

2018-09-08 17:34:43 UTC  

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