Message from @TheKekscernist

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2018-06-23 09:20:14 UTC  

(blinks(

2018-06-23 09:20:17 UTC  

No?

2018-06-23 09:20:43 UTC  

Then provide an example where Federal law and State law is conflicting and the state law trumps the federal law

2018-06-23 09:21:12 UTC  

...every time a state law counters federal law?

2018-06-23 09:21:23 UTC  

this is not as complicated as you think it is

2018-06-23 09:22:01 UTC  

If the feds say one thing - and the feds are not, in the process, enforcing the Constitution - the states can say another, and that's that

2018-06-23 09:23:02 UTC  

So if a state made a law that said they did not have to pay Federal Income tax the state law would win?

2018-06-23 09:23:15 UTC  

I'm struggleing to find any example of what you are claiming

2018-06-23 09:23:40 UTC  

A few years ago, Missouri nullified all federal gun control within its borders

2018-06-23 09:25:12 UTC  

Rather than discuss this fruitlessly, just go skim this
http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2015/05/16/nullification-made-easy/

2018-06-23 09:26:59 UTC  

Basically, states can do what they want

2018-06-23 09:27:12 UTC  

Unless the Constitution says otherwise

2018-06-23 09:27:58 UTC  

Thus if the federal government passes a law, there is nothing that Constitutionally stops any state from nullifying it via state legislation

2018-06-23 09:39:39 UTC  

In order for what you say to be true Article 1 of the Constitution would need to be ignored.

2018-06-23 09:42:18 UTC  

Which section?

2018-06-23 09:43:53 UTC  

Because Article 1 lays things out pretty explicitly. So long as those things are adhered to by the states, there's no conflict here

2018-06-23 09:44:19 UTC  

"Basically, states can do what they want
Unless the Constitution says otherwise"

2018-06-23 09:44:28 UTC  

I see no issue here

2018-06-23 09:49:58 UTC  

The Constitution is to limit the powers of the Federal Government

2018-06-23 09:50:05 UTC  

The Bill of Rights applies exclusively to the Fed

2018-06-23 09:50:28 UTC  

you are mistaken

2018-06-23 09:50:31 UTC  

no, i am not

2018-06-23 09:51:00 UTC  

It outlines what powers the Fed has

2018-06-23 09:51:06 UTC  

And where those powers do not cross

2018-06-23 09:51:34 UTC  

After the 13th amendment (abolishment of slavery) was passed, they needed a way to ensure the states abided by it, because up until then, the bill of rights only applied to the federal government
So the 14th amendment was passed, which ensures this

2018-06-23 09:51:45 UTC  

The Bill of Rights does not give us any rights -- instead, it limits the Federal Government from steamrolling them (even though the Fed has historically steamrolled them countless times)

2018-06-23 09:52:02 UTC  

The Bill of Rights instead highlights what our rights are

2018-06-23 09:52:03 UTC  

Yes, technically correct

2018-06-23 09:52:05 UTC  

our natural rights

2018-06-23 09:52:29 UTC  

This does not change the fact that the bill of rights began to apply to the states starting with the 14th amendment

2018-06-23 09:55:21 UTC  

Not sure how I am wrong -- yes, it does say that the states must follow it, but I don't see how that changes what I said

2018-06-23 09:55:49 UTC  

"The Constitution is to limit the powers of the Federal Government
The Bill of Rights applies exclusively to the Fed"

2018-06-23 09:56:16 UTC  

I guess I should rephrase it then

2018-06-23 09:57:26 UTC  

"The Constitution is to limit the powers of the Federal Government
The Bill of Rights technically applies only to the Fed, but also applies to the States post-14th A"

2018-06-23 09:57:32 UTC  

sorry, i am tired

2018-06-23 09:57:36 UTC  

it is 2 AM where i am

2018-06-23 09:58:05 UTC  

5AM here yo

2018-06-23 09:58:11 UTC  

lol

2018-06-23 09:58:30 UTC  

i didn't get a full night's sleep last night

2018-06-23 09:58:41 UTC  

my roommates were being retards and woke me up early by being loud

2018-06-23 09:58:58 UTC  

(Literally anything else): I sleep
(Misunderstood Minutia of the US constitution): REAL SHIT?