Message from @Dennafen
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Who should be appointed by the state legislature not popular election.
Nope
Yes.
@4AM_critter π yes, but winner takes all?
Because the people of the state need to have a say in who goes to congress
They do, that's the representive.
@Dennafen isn't stuff like this partly how the EU go into such a mess?
NO. Grenade, imagine 20 persons running for office. The 7 candidates with the most votes get the seats.
@4AM_critter π so everyone votes on all 7 seats, rather than 1.
@Grenade123 Yes, because they don't have representatives.
I dont want my represetnatives who cant even agree on a budget for my state to decide who gets to represent us in washington
No, you have one vote, and you can only vote for one person.
Because as you said, those locally elected representatives dont care whats best for other areas they only care about their own
@4AM_critter π okay, all 20 get some percent of the vote. what now? take the top 7?
Yes, but they have to pick one person for six years.
Yes the top seven get he seats.
what happens if less than 7 get votes.
Which is why I dont want them to pick a person, because they dont care about the state as a whole, what they care about is their own re-election
its only like 4 people @4AM_critter π
Then that senator is no longer beholden to the people, he becomes beholden to the state representatives which elected him
Appointed whaterver
So we should vote on supreme court judges?
Thats what the Senate is for
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They're supposed to think about how people in the state will be affected by that judge
No.
They're supposed to think about how the state will be effected.
No?
Why would they think about how their state government will be affected?
pretty sure they don't think about either
Because that's what all of their job functions revolve around.
they think about will this person make a good addition, and you vote for them in hopes that how they think about that judge will be reflected by you
In the system which you describe yes
In the current system no
In the current system yes.
Why do their jobs in the federal government revolve around state government?
`Bills may be introduced in either chamber of Congress. However, the Constitution's Origination Clause provides that "All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives".[53] As a result, the Senate does not have the power to initiate bills imposing taxes. Furthermore, the House of Representatives holds that the Senate does not have the power to originate appropriation bills, or bills authorizing the expenditure of federal funds.[54][55][56] Historically, the Senate has disputed the interpretation advocated by the House. However, when the Senate originates an appropriations bill, the House simply refuses to consider it, thereby settling the dispute in practice. The constitutional provision barring the Senate from introducing revenue bills is based on the practice of the British Parliament, in which only the House of Commons may originate such measures.[57]
Although the Constitution gave the House the power to initiate revenue bills, in practice the Senate is equal to the House in the respect of spending. As Woodrow Wilson wrote:
The Senate's right to amend general appropriation bills has been allowed the widest possible scope. The upper house may add to them what it pleases; may go altogether outside of their original provisions and tack to them entirely new features of legislation, altering not only the amounts but even the objects of expenditure, and making out of the materials sent them by the popular chamber measures of an almost totally new character.[58]
The approval of both houses is required for any bill, including a revenue bill, to become law. Both Houses must pass the same version of the bill; if there are differences, they may be resolved by sending amendments back and forth or by a conference committee, which includes members of both bodies.`
Their role is to make sure that the reps don't fuck shit up too much.
In our system, any spill over votes a candidate gets goes to the hext candidate on the list. Each party put up at least as many candidates as there are seats up for election. That means that votes excessive votes and party votes get distributed to the next person on the list.
A classic example is one very popular candidate gets elected and takes 3-4 extra seats for his party.
Another classic example is a candidate at the bottom on the list blows past all the others and win a seat.
Here we donβt have primaries. The election and lust placement of candidates is an internal party matter